Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Robbie Bullough

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 01:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Robbie Bullough[edit]

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College sports reporter, recent graduate. Nothing that might make for notability. DGG ( talk ) 20:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC). DGG ( talk ) 20:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you go with that mind set, then no sports announcers should be included. There are many articles that discuss sports reporters and announcers, including Brent Musburger and Verne Lundquist, that announce sports but did not play sports. Why is this any different? Because he is on one TV station, BYUtv, instead of a major network like ESPN or CBS? There is no difference. This article provides the personal background of a specific individual who is currently calling sports and acts as a sideline reporter for many games throughout the season. Additionally it uses multiple sources to give it credit, unlike most other biography pages here at Wiki. He may not have the rich background of sports announcing that others more famous do, but that doesn't make the article spam, nor does it make it worthy of deletion. Bigddan11 (talk) 20:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, he deserves not to be deleted. Ashbeckjonathan 21:09, 17 December 2012 (UTC)User:Ashbeckjonathan

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:45, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:45, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Yes, I do think that being on a major network as compared to a single college's station makes a difference. Bigddan11, the answer to you argument is that when he becomes notable, then there can be an article. DGG ( talk ) 01:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See, I will completely disagree with you on this assessment no matter what you say. Dave Barnett started at Raycom Sports, a regional syndicated group, before ever moving onto ESPN. He has called a ton of live sporting events, though he has done it mostly on a regional level outside of his time at ESPN. I don't see anyone saying he should be deleted because he has moved back to regional level broadcasts instead of remaining at ESPN. It shouldn't matter what level you are at.

BYUtv is considered a national TV station, like it or not. It is available in every household that has Internet access (at byutv.org) through live streaming that costs nothing for those who watch online, outside of your regular Internet subscription, and it is available to more than 65 million homes through Dish Network, DirecTV, and various cable companies (including Comcast), a stat that puts it ahead of CBS Sports Network and NBC Sports Network in terms of households it's available in. BYUtv provides more live sporting content than Fox Sports (please note I'm referring to Fox Sports, not Fox Sports Media Groups), and Robbie Bullough happens to be the main play-by-play man, outside of football and men's basketball, as well as the sideline reporter for football and men's basketball for the station. He is no less important than someone like Todd Christensen, who was listed long before he joined CBS Sports Network this past season as the Navy analyst. He's no less than Blaine Fowler, who has been an analyst for 27-years, though most people had no idea who he was until he did some games for NBC Sports Network. The fact is he can be seen and watched in more homes than any broadcaster for CBS Sports Network or NBC Sports Network. That stat alone should make it where he shouldn't be deleted unless you are going to delete every CBS Sports Network and NBC Sports Network broadcaster there is.Bigddan11 (talk) 17:02, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would have to agree with this. Other than Verne Lundquist and Brent Musburger, Howard Cosell studied sports and never played any sport. Why should this be a big difference for Robbie Bullough? You also got other sports announcers such as Joe Buck, Kenny Albert, Thom Brennaman, Dick Stockton, Chris Myers, Curt Menefee, Mike Goldberg, Sam Rosen, Gus Johnson, Jim Nantz, Greg Gumbel, Ian Eagle, Marv Albert, Mike Tirico, Kevin Harlan, Bill Macatee, Spero Dedes, Don Criqui, Tim Brando, Dan Patrick, Dan Hicks, Tom Hammond, Al Michaels, Ted Robinson, Bob Papa, Mike "Doc" Emrick, Wayne Larrivee, Bob Uecker, Harry Kalas, Pat Hughes, Eli Gold, Brad Nessler, Sean McDonough, John Rooney, Larry Kahn, Tom McCarthy, Dave O'Brien, Joe Castiglione, Brian Anderson, Joe Block, Cory Provus, Ari Wolfe, Dick Bremer, Vin Scully, Charley Steiner, Gary Cohen, John Sterling, Mel Allen, Red Barber, Jack Buck, Ernie Harwell, Jerry Trupiano, Howard David, Curt Gowdy, Gary Thorne, Dewayne Staats, Marty Brennaman, Lindsey Nelson, Bob Wolff, Mel Allen, Red Barber, Joel Meyers, Spencer Ross, Fred Cusick, Jim McKay, Keith Jackson, Frank Gifford, Chris Berman, Jack Whitaker, Bob Costas, Matt Vasgersian, Victor Rojas, Daron Sutton, Greg Schulte, Chuck Cooperstein, Jon Miller, Dave Flemming, Ralph Lawler, Bob Lamey, Bill O'Donnell, Bob Prince, Ray Scott (sportscaster), Pat Summerall, Chris Schenkel, Dan Shulman, Steve Physioc, Jon Sciambi, Don Orsillo, Mike Gorman, Jack Edwards, Michael Kay, Dave Sims, Kevin Kugler, Jim Powell, Chip Caray, Harry Caray, Skip Caray, Paul Carey, Mike Breen, Bob Wischusen, Chris Carrino, Sean Grande, Craig Bolerjack, Gil Santos, Mitch Holthus, Greg Papa, Josh Lewin, Brad Sham, Merrill Reese, Scott Graham, Tim Brant, Wes Durham, Jim Henderson, Gene Deckerhoff, Dave Pasch, Terry Gannon, or whatever. As for me, I find no reason for Robbie Bullough to be deleted. Ashbeckjonathan 15:09, 9 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashbeckjonathan (talk • contribs)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mediran (t • c) 01:44, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 04:13, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. There is some force in the argument that BYUtv is a national network--it is, indeed, carried nationally on DirecTV, etc. But we haven't automatically kept articles for every reporter on the major sports networks, much less one on a more minor venue like BYUtv. The Salt Lake Tribune article is a solid source, albeit local. If there was any evidence of some independent national coverage I might be swayed to support a keep here. --Arxiloxos (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not notable, one of a sea of non-notable sports reporter bios. Hairhorn (talk) 20:30, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree with this at all. First of all, even if he's not that popular, this article is not worthy to be deleted. Is there a difference for this? No! There should be no reason why this article is considered to be deleted, even if he is not famous at all! Ashbeckjonathan (talk) Ashbeckjonathan 18:51, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't about being famous or not, it's about meeting the notability guidelines. Hairhorn (talk) 23:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.