Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rizwan Sajan (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 20:33, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rizwan Sajan[edit]

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In principle, wealth, revenue, and other size metrics do not make one notable. Possibly paid editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ InstaMalik (talk • contribs)

comment Paid editing is not a reason for deletion. Although wealth, revenue, and other size metrics do not make one notable, the article seems to have lots of citations to sources which appear to be about the subject. It would be helpful if you could analyse those. Are they not about the subject? Are they not independent? For what reason do they not evidence WP:GNG? --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article fails WP:GNG. DJ InstaMalik (talk) 13:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, United Arab Emirates, and Maharashtra. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:57, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So a newly created account on same day with only 3 edits, that too only on this single article commenting here? Seems you are intentionally targeting this article. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:03, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes WP:ANYBIO. Jeraxmoira (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also contributing on Wiki from a long time, so I have little bit idea about the things and criteria for creating a Wiki article. It's not about his wealth or revenue, it's about his recognition by the UAE government, Forbes. (Citations given in article).

Almost sources are independent, still you think that I need to work more on this then I'm looking forward for your guidance on this. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:01, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Tagishsimon iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even the second account who placed {{Undisclosed paid}} tag, that user also has 5 edits only, seems fishy. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 11:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 18:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Rizwan Sajan satisfies the notability criteria for biographies as outlined in WP:BIO due to significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources (WP:RS) such as Arabian Business, Gulf News. His entrepreneurial activities and leadership roles within the Danube Group are well-documented, and his involvement in notable projects and philanthropic efforts has been recognized by reputable awards (WP:ANYBIO). The subject's impact on the business sector in the UAE is further corroborated by coverage in Forbes Middle East, (Staff) establishing his notability within the context of WP:GNG. The article should be retained and can be improved by incorporating additional secondary sources that meet WP:V and WP:NPOV. Upon further investigation, the nominator seems to have almost no experience with wikipedia. In fact, @Tagishsimon edit history shows only deletion nominations, and what seems to possibly be vandalism by tagging. and nominating. Nominator makes this AfD suspicious. May take to Ani. These do not seem like WP:Goodfaith edits.

PD Slessor (talk) 07:44, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

May I say - civilly, @PD Slessor: - that you are a complete and utter fucking idiot. 1) I did not propose this deletion 2) I spoke in favour of more thought being put into keeping the article. Now off you pop to ANI with your arrant stupidity. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I meant to tag the @DJ InstaMalik, not you @Tagishsimon. No need for ANI, if you look at the nominator, you will see the history I mentioned. I meant to mention your comment about nominator, but it was lost in translation. Don't worry, I like getting bitten. I did make a mistake. Complete and utter fucking idiot though? Maybe. Perhaps if I was somewhat smart i'd start an ANI, and cry, pointing out how you bit the poor little new comer, using language and demeanor that if every Wikipedian used, would make Brittanica feel justified for comparing Wiki community to a "public bathroom." Anyways, my apologies for the confusion, and I forgive your biting. No hard feelings. PD Slessor (talk) 19:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PD Slessor: My apologies for biting you. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:51, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Its ok. My apologies for dumbassering you. PD Slessor (talk) 19:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your kind words @PD Slessor iVickyChoudhary (talk) 23:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Lots of brief, vanilla, promo bios, interviews and mentions, nothing that meets WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. Keep votes provide no sources or guidelines to eval. // Timothy :: talk 12:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Kindly guide me on this so I can improve the article. @TimothyBlue iVickyChoudhary (talk) 23:03, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This in Forbes India by the Forbes staff [1] seems ok but we need more than that. The Gulf Times links used in the article are the best sources, some are videos, others are not bad. We need a few more decent sources. Oaktree b (talk) 01:02, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please guide me that on what topics I need to add few more decent souces, so I can improve this article. @Oaktree b iVickyChoudhary (talk) 23:05, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
more articles in what we call reliable sources, about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 23:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I got that point, but where/on which topic in the article I need to add more sources. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 06:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b Recently @Jeraxmoira Added more reliable sources and expand career section. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 07:06, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Retracted my previous vote as I had mentioned the wrong criteria by mistake. At this point, BLP passes WP:NBASIC. Jeraxmoira (talk) 13:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, none of the sources presented in the article or referenced in this discussion have significant coverage as required by GNG. This is a policy failure that in my opinion has not been adequately addressed by those suggesting keeping the article. Combined with the undercurrent of undisclosed conflicts of interest, this article should be deleted. Daniel (talk) 23:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to WP:NBASIC - If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability and per WP:ANYBIO - He has received several notable awards:
- Dubai Quality Award in 2012 by Govt. of Dubai.
- Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum Business Excellence Award by Dubai Chamber of Commerce and Industry in 2012.
- 7th in Top 100 Indian leaders in the UAE (2020) by Forbes Middle East and 8th In Forbes Middle East (2021).
I am happy to stand corrected if NBASIC or ANYBIO does not apply here for some reason.

If you are implying User:IVickyChoudhary's COI, I have placed the {{Undisclosed paid}} to the article and FWIW he hasn't edited the article since 16 October, 2023. Jeraxmoira (talk) 07:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's no conflicts of interest, it's just confusion of thinking my News media company(we run a cricket news website under it) as media agency, but I or we have nothing to do with any kinda agency work.

And because of this conflicts of interest thing, I can't even improve this article, still some authors improved it. Hope you will review it again. iVickyChoudhary (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Editors are still split between keeping and deleting.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 04:10, 21 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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