Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhenish nationalism

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The result was delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rhenish nationalism

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Why the page should be deleted TizStriz (talk) 00:35, 17 July 2020 (UTC) That page mention as sources only James Minahan books, nowadays i have not heard about any Rhenish nationalist party TizStriz (talk) 02:41, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article is poorly sourced, but Rhenish separatism was a thing. ImTheIP (talk) 02:42, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, Notability is not temporary, the Minahan source already in the article is one, and there are other sources on the matter, as can be seen here: The Ruhr: Rhineland Republic?, here, Adenauer and Rhenish Separatism, and here: French Rhineland Policy at the Paris Peace Conference, 1919. Clearly a notable topic. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @ImTheIP: @Devonian Wombat: Rhenish separatism in the post 1919 period is covered in the Rhenish Republic article. This article seems to be solely based on James Minahan's "Encyclopedia of the stateless nations" (which can be viewed on Google books) so I am not yet convinced that this article meets GNG, apart from material which could be included in the Rhenish Republic article. TSventon (talk) 00:56, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and merge with Rhenish Republic, per above comment. Minahan's encylopedia is not a reliable source. ImTheIP (talk) 15:23, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ImTheIP:. please could you explain why Minahan's encylopedia is not a reliable source to help editors reach a conclusion here (and copy to the Swabian nationalism discussion). TSventon (talk) 18:12, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There have been long debates over the years over Minahan's encyclopedias. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 281#Encyclopedias_of_James_B._Minahan and Talk:Stateless nation#James_Minahan's_books_as_sources_and_references and the pages those pages refer to. For example, he defines Californians, Texans and Mormons as "stateless nations" within the US. It is WP:FRINGE but because his work is approachable it gets cited all the time on Wikipedia. ImTheIP (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @ImTheIP:. @TizStriz:, it is useful to explain the background because not all AfD participants will be familiar with it. TSventon (talk) 20:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 17:28, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 10:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Minahan seems to be the only person calling Adenauer a "Rhenish nationalist". The German terms "rheinischer Nationalismus" or "rheinländischer Nationalismus" give 1/0 and 0/0 results on Google Books and Google Scholar, respectively. While Rhineland separatism (often based in anti-Prussian and anti-Protestant sentiment in the deeply catholic areas) existed, the notion of Rhinelanders as a nation is a bit absurd. Given that Minahan claims Wiesbaden (which was always in Nassau or Hesse, even while Prussian) to be a cultural centre of the Rhineland gives me little reason to believe anything in this book. —Kusma (t·c) 21:55, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as Minahan is not a reliable source as explained by ImTheIP. TSventon (talk) 22:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete since this doesn't seem to actually be a thing. Due to lacking coverage as a concept outside of an unreliable source. --Adamant1 (talk) 09:07, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.