Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quincy Miller

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The result was SNOW keep Jclemens (talk) 05:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quincy Miller

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Non-notable basketball player, per WP:NBASKETBALL: fails on all three counts listed, i.e. 1 played...[in a] major professional sports league, 2 selected in the first two rounds of the NBA Draft, 3 won an award, or led the league in a major statistical category of the CBA or NBA Development League. Emeraude (talk) 10:29, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He was on Team USA and he passes WP:GNG based on WP:RS encyclopedic content.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:22, 27 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Team USA? Not mentioned anywhere but here as far as I can see. Are you claiming that Wikipedia:Notability (sports) does not trump the general notability guidelines? (In which cae, why do they exist?) Emeraude (talk) 18:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - If a person gets a lot of press that provides encyclopedic content, WP:GNG applies and they get a page. Here are the first three searches I would drop in Google to blow up his article:
    1. "Quincy Miller" site:rise.espn.go.com
    2. "Quincy Miller" site:usatoday.com
    3. "Quincy Miller" basketball site:nytimes.com--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - Having a lot of press coverage does not 100% guarantee notability, as GNG makes clear. Quality must be considered with quantity. But Wikipedia:Notability (sports) specifically states that "This guideline is used to help evaluate whether or not a sports person or sports league/organization (amateur or professional) will meet the general notability guideline, and thus merit an article in Wikipedia" and the more specific detail of WP:NBASKETBALL suggests that high school/college players do not. Now, which guideline trumps which?Emeraude (talk) 18:23, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    - In this case, the press coverage is quite extensive and sufficient to support GNG-based decision to keep.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      - Even though none of that extensive press coverage relates to the criteria specified in WP:NBASKETBALL? Emeraude (talk) 13:35, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        When sufficient biographical content exists in WP:RS to recount the events and stages of his life as a person, he no longer needs to pass as a basketball player. He is notable because the press has provided us sufficient encyclopedic content to recount his life regardless of whether we can take his article through enough hoops to pass WP:NBASKETBALL. We can recount his entire college career, his international play, his high school career, and possibly his extracurricular career (I am not so big on AAU stuff, but I am betting it exists in the sources).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:26, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        
        The guy was written about 34 times in ESPN HS alone. That alone provides a good basis for a biography.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:33, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        Yes, it provides a good basis for a biography. Does it make him notable in Wikipedia terms? No, it just means they write about him a lot. Is a high school basketball player notable? According to WP:NBASKETBALL, no. Emeraude (talk) 14:43, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        When the press writes about you a lot and provides sufficient biographic detail, you are WP:N, even if not by WP:NBASKETBALL. I will blow up his bio and show you.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        
        No need. Not really interested in schoolkids' bios. Emeraude (talk) 18:10, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        You know there are schoolkids who pass WP:NBASKETBALL (See Jabari Parker).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - has received ample news coverage to meet GNG as well as meet basketball notability in receiving significant press as an individual. Also on the finalist list for the Naismith Award. See WP:NCOLLATH Rikster2 (talk) 18:42, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep passes any number of guidelines, including WP:BIO and Wikipedia:ATHLETE#High school and pre-high school athletes. He also represented his country internationally.--TM 19:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is one occasion when the standards set by WP:NBASKETBALL should be abridged in favor of common sense. Miller will likely be in the league in a year. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 04:04, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:NSPORTS says article that failing to meet NSPORTS "means that notability will need to be established in other ways (e.g. the general notability guideline ..." As others have stated, WP:GNG is met by significant coverage in multiple sources.—Bagumba (talk) 07:53, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Played for Team USA. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:11, 30 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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