Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/President of Japan

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was ~~delete~~. Doczilla _{@SUPERHEROLOGIST} 05:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This result was overturned to no consensus at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 September 13. Stifle (talk) 09:48, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

President of Japan

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Japan doesn't have a president, this is potentially misleading readers 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 15:28, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 15:43, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as utterly ludicrous and completely made up. Mccapra (talk) 19:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 21:12, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I see what the creator was going for, but it's erroneous until Emperor Naruhito declares himself president for life. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 05:57, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This should be kept in some form, either as a redirect or a dab. In the worst case, this should go back to being a redirect to the office of the Prime Minister; note that Vice President of Japan is a stable redirect to Deputy Prime Minister of Japan. There is also a manga series called The President of Japan: Sakurazaka Mantarō. The second part is a subtitle and the definite article at the start of the title is an artifact of translation, so it could reasonably be called "President of Japan", though that's likely rare. It is silly for the emperor to be mentioned on this page, so I've taken it off entirely, but we still have enough for a dab if preferred. It seems harmless in its current form. Dekimasuよ! 10:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete another highly implausible DAB. Argument for keeping is both extremely technical and tl;dr (ergo not a likely mistake) and based on WP:HARMLESS, which is a non-argument Dronebogus (talk) 21:38, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an article—disambiguation pages are navigational tools. The standards for navigational tools and entries on disambiguation pages are different from the criteria for deleting standard articles. WP:HARMLESS (which is an essay) specifically states that whether something is harmless or not is a valid argument when discussing the deletion of redirects (see WP:RFD#KEEP #5). WP:DABCOMBINE says to include "The President of Japan" on the dab; that's probably a better solution than putting an unlikely hatnote on the Prime Minister page. The page receives 60 hits a month, so it is not a common target, but it is not an implausible one. And it does not mislead readers to help them navigate to the article they are actually looking for. It's not like this is an article on a non-existent office. (Sorry if 5 lines is tl;dr). Dekimasuよ! 23:00, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There is no President of Japan. Forcing American conventions on leader titles is not needed. Fulmard (talk) 06:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as DAB page per Dekimasu. --Privybst (talk) 10:14, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Following up, the delete !votes do not appear to be grounded in policy or to account for the goals of disambiguation pages and redirects. This is a plausible search term in regards to the prime minister's office, as reflected in its use in otherwise reliable sources (say, those of C-SPAN or Newsweek or NPR). It is also a valid search term in the case of certain other articles. Having a dab page at this title does not mean Wikipedia says that the head of the government in Japan is a president. Dekimasuよ! 07:10, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:D it does not disambiguate and users are unlikely to need this dab to navigate. Lightburst (talk) 01:31, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This perfectly useful WP:DAB page does exactly the opposite of what the nomination claims. It takes a potentially misleading term that is commonly misused even in reliable sources, and presents legitimate navigational targets suggested by that term. There is no primary topic, which might be what is confusing people. If there were a clear primary topic, we could just redirect. But there are multiple plausible targets as well, both literal (The President of Japan) and analogical (Prime Minister of Japan), so the article serves a specific useful purpose as a beneficial aid to navigation for readers. Of course, if someone later tries to hijack it and create some fake article about a fake president of Japan, we should stop that. But that's not what's happening here, so we should keep it. Indignant Flamingo (talk) 02:15, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.