Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pokolgép

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The result was keep. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:28, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pokolgép[edit]

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Fails WP:BAND. Prod declined by IP for no reason. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:23, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Subject isn't notable. Pokolgép seems to be the Hungarian word for bomb or some such so most of the google hits are for that word, not the band. One source I could find, this book from Bloomsbury Publishing, is a couple mere mentions. I don't think Encyclopaedia Metallum is a reliable website and I get the impression it might be crowdsourced which fails WP:SPS. The IP that de-PRODed this failed to read the edit summary, not that they would have understood it. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:40, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to Keep As Ary points out, the band charted. That's WP:NBAND. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:31, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question for @Chris troutman: you wrote that "The IP that de-PRODed this failed to read the edit summary, not that they would have understood it." What do you think I did not understand? Anyway I agree with Robman94, the band is notable in Hungary but not in the States.--2001:4C4E:1D41:8C00:75F5:584A:7CEF:3494 (talk) 08:53, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Be advised, your ping didn't work. I misspoke. TenPoundHammer didn't say anything in the edit summary; it was in the PROD template, which said "No sources found". I guess that wasn't super explanatory. I apologize for jumping the gun on that. I was wrong. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This Google search might be better as it includes the guitarist's name, as he's the sole member that has been in the band throughout its history. It certainly brings back lots of articles, but they're in Hungarian so I can't sort them out. On the surface though, it would appear that the band is notable in Hungary but not in the States. Robman94 (talk) 22:18, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Pokolgép is definitely notable in Hungary. They were the first heavy metal band in their country who officially released an LP, so that was the first officially released heavy metal album in Hungary (Totális Metal, 1986). Pokolgép is one of the major metal bands in their country. They sing in Hungarian, but they are familiar in Europe. In 2011 Swedish band Hammerfall covered Pokolgép song "Hol van a szó" in English, titled "Send Me a Sign". This cover was released on their album Infected. --Ary (talk) 09:58, 3 October 2017 (UTC) — Ary (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Beyond the fact that YouTube fails WP:SPS, it doesn't matter who covered the song. Please read WP:MUSICBIO. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of English references doesn't mean that this band is not notable. There are lots of refs in Hungarian. Somehow you don't want to understand it. And I just want to demonstrate that Pokolgép are known beyond Hungary when I mentioned Hammerfall cover. --Ary (talk) 19:02, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As I read WP:MUSICBIO I found that Pokolgép meet the notability criteria "2. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." This is the Official Hungarian Album Chart search page: http://zene.slagerlistak.hu/archivum/kereso-eloado-cim-szerint Fill in "Pokolgép" and push the search button "Keresés". They had 12 albums on Hungarian Album Chart. Pokolgép also meet the criteria "12. Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network." See the documentary "Privát rocktörténet" I put in as a reference in the article. It was broadcasted on Filmmúzeum Televízió (Filmmuseum Television) in Hungary. --Ary (talk) 19:19, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, a prominent heavy metal band behind the Iron Curtain, its notability is confirmed by GB results. --Norden1990 (talk) 15:58, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Norden1990: Not only is your argument (WP:GHITS) invalid, did you read my comment about the fact that this word in Hungarian will pop up in lots of places, unconnected with the band? Chris Troutman (talk) 23:48, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that is why I used "Pokolgép heavy metal" search words. --Norden1990 (talk) 08:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Norden1990: Ok. Which one of those links is a reliable source? You'll need several to meet WP:SIGCOV. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:01, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per Norden1990's Google link. Robman94 (talk) 23:26, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: the band may be notable, but many of the past and present members have poorly referenced articles of their own, and I suspect these are not notable. Richard3120 (talk) 13:04, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bobherry Talk Edits 12:31, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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