Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PayByPhone

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The result was merge to Volkswagen or a section therein as a viable ATD Star Mississippi 03:13, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PayByPhone

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There are no sources cited except for the company's homepage. The only other reference is a deadlink. RPI2026F1 (talk) 16:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and Internet. RPI2026F1 (talk) 16:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:NCORP and WP:V. Promotional tone, although that could be fixed. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Weak keep/Merge. I'm finding some actual sources that are either about it or heavily mention it The Guardian: Ten members of Germany’s sprawling Porsche automotive dynasty, which controls Volkswagen, were named in accounts lodged at Companies House this month as “persons of significant control” behind PayByPhone, one of the UK’s most successful parking apps.. Chronicle Live: Parking app PayByPhone says it is aware of bogus websites duping motorists; Business Intelligence for B.C.: Any Vancouver driver who’s shunned pocket change in favour of digital payments at the city’s parking meters will no doubt be familiar with the PayByPhone Technologies Inc. logo adorning the nearly 12,000 devices.; GeekWire: Seattle has been using PayByPhone technology since 2013. A representative of the Seattle city attorney’s office said the city couldn’t comment on pending litigation.; WLRN: Since then, the city has been at the forefront of transitioning the parking experience from street meters to an electronic app called PayByPhone, a Canada-based app owned by Volkswagen -- the largest carmaker in the world.. Le Journal de l'Automobile: PayByPhone nomme son nouveau président (doesn't appear to be just a PR release or paid article). And a lot more of that level. It definitely needs cleanup to make less promotional. Skynxnex (talk) 17:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The second source to me doesn't seem relevant to the article. But I do think there might be merit in the fact that a lot of places are using this company for their payment system. And I 100% agree that the article needs to be fully rewritten to focus more on the areas that are using it and less about the actual technology itself and it's functionality, since it doesn't sound innovative enough to warrant significant focus. RPI2026F1 (talk) 18:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@RPI2026F1 I'm not sure which source you think isn't relevant to the article? The Chronicle Live one? It may or may not be suitable to be included, but there are many articles talking about scams targeting PayByPhone parking areas so it probably could be. Skynxnex (talk) 18:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, so you want to use it to say "This app is popular enough that there are various scams targeting them specifically"? Didn't think of it in that way RPI2026F1 (talk) 18:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've thought some more and read through the notes and it definitely is on the edge of just churnalism even with the volume and not pure PR. I've adjusted to weak keep/merge (since I think a decent article is possible) but a suitable redirect/addition of content to that target would be fine too, really. Skynxnex (talk) 17:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Transportation. Skynxnex (talk) 18:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As far as I can tell, there's nothing that distinguishes this one from any of the dozens other apps/services with the same functionality. If anything, it might get mentioned in passing in the Parking article, but that's it. As for any local news mentions - yes, any changes or issues related to parking will get you a news article in the local news. It's hardly an indicator of notability. EditorInTheRye (talk) 20:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nothing notable about this app for our purposes. It just exists and does what it's supposed to it seems. Oaktree b (talk) 22:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see how it doesn't meet WP:NCORP. It's not all local in the same area and there are significant articles covering the company itself, which are entirely independent: Volkswagen buys Vancouver firm in drive for mobility, Financial Post 29 December 2016, does not appear to just be a press release. "Parking Apps Partner to Offer More Options", South Florida Sun Sentinel Fort Lauderdale, Florida · Saturday, December 26, 2015] (available in Newspaper.com): a multiparagraph story about a partnership between PayByPhone and another company by a staff writer. Apple Pay comes to the parking meter with PayByPhone's latest update (tech republican so a less good source but doesn't appear to be paid); Volkswagen purchases PayByPhone for parking techcrunch so eh; Miami’s most-used parking app is now available in Spanish in the Miami Herald, Taking St. John's PayByPhone parking for a test drive by the CBC and is a bit more of an actual store than the dozens of "PayByPhone comes to X".

If anything this app is better covered by more sources than most other parking apps, in my experience. Skynxnex (talk) 14:25, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't this make it eligible to be merged into the article for Volkswagen or a sub-article about their other brands? RPI2026F1 (talk) 14:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm seeing maybe two paragraphs in the Financial Post article about PayByPhone (the second and third paragraphs), and those are statements by the company? Not looked at the others. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:04, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I see suggestions for a Redirect/Merge (as an ATD) but no target mentioned.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:12, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Volkswagen Group: Per Skynxnex. Despite the reliable sources indicated above, I don't think there's a way to expand the article further. That said, merging the entire content to the "financial" section of the target article is the way to go. ASTIG️🙃 _{(ICE-T • ICE CUBE)} 10:36, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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