Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PTV Sports

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. I see a consensus here to Keep this article and no support for Deletion other than the nominator. The article needs work but that can be addressed through editing.

There is also a strong disagreement from participants here that WP:NEWSORGINDIA applies to countries other than India. Please do not use it as a justification for deletion in future nominations. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:06, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PTV Sports

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References do not show how this is notable. Plenty of unreliable sources and NEWSORGINDIA but nothing in-depth. Recommend a redirect to parent Pakistan Television Corporation. While I did not do so prior to the AfD, programming also needs to be removed per WP:NOTTVGUIDE. It appears that the notability of the page is attempted to be heightened by the mentions of the programs it shows. CNMall41 (talk) 23:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Pakistan. CNMall41 (talk) 23:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I will reserve a !vote for now but for those who may not be aware, PTV Sports is country's state-owned channel dedicated to sports, much like DD Sports in India. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 09:27, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When searching for references, make sure to weed out those that apply to PTV Sports (TV program) as well. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PTV Sports (TV program) is a Filipino TV program, so obviously editors searching in Pakistani sources won't encounter such references. 2A00:F29:248:C1E5:69B9:937C:A897:D420 (talk) 16:36, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have added more RS.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 21:28, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These "reliable sources" seem to fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Can you point out the specific ones that show notability?--CNMall41 (talk) 05:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are many news articles show controversy or negitivity about channel. So, WP:NEWSORGINDIA may not apply here. This may apply when all are praising. Ameen Akbar (talk) 12:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is not how that works. NEWSORGINDIA has to do with the context of the article (who wrote it, is it churnalism, etc.), not whether it is positive or negative. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:18, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep NEWSORGINDIA cannot possibly apply to this article (and I'm surprised the nom hasn't received blowback for even mentioning that country's name in this nom for a Pakistani subject and network); it has enough sources within to easily pass WP:N and is by default Pakistan's main sports channel. Cull back the programming list to only cricket and soccer as a simple list and source it; that's the only true issue with this article. Nate • (chatter) 00:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment is a little uncivil but I understand your concern as it has been raised several times in the past. NEWSORGINDIA has been applied to the entire subcontinent in both articles and AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Nate. The RfC consensus ([1]) was just about Indian mainstream media, and there was no discussion that we can apply this to whole Indian subcontinent countries (i.e., Bangladesh, Bhutan, the Maldives, Nepal, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka). As far as I can see, only CNMall41 is trying to extend that consensus to whole South Asia as if they are part of India or these countries are in some sort of union like EU, which is not the case. I'd recommend seeking a similar consensus about Pakistani sources with evidence on WP:RSN first and then adding similar wording as a note for our reference. This is how this should work. 94.201.21.216 (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, you seem not to be familiar with the discussions. In fact, it was suggested to change the name as having "India" in the NEWSORGINDIA heading makes it seem like it is singling out a specific country and/or nationality which I don't think is proper. You are more than welcome to start a discussion but as stated, this has been applied in many AfD discussions. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This should be done if only to resolve the dispute. I read the sections in question and found no mention of countries other than India. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Nate and WP:HEY. It is literally a state-owned monopoly and the only broadcaster of international events in Pakistan (Dawn covered it in detail). It has been operational since the 1970s as a sports division of PTV, similar to BBC Sports, which is a division of BBC. There is a large amount of offline and online coverage about the topic and some of them have been added already to the article. Meets WP:GNG. 2A00:F29:249:8243:E4E0:CA6C:D0E7:378B (talk) 16:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing coincidence. Back to back IP addresses commenting. But, here we are. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other than Dawn, can you link to more in-depth coverage?--CNMall41 (talk) 16:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's an important sports channel in Pakistan that many people rely on for sports coverage. The channel is well-known and meets WP:GNG. Yakov-kobi (talk) 00:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your effort. What are the references that support notability? --CNMall41 (talk) 05:46, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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