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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 01:13, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oxygen trifluoride[edit]

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This substance does not exist. The current article is misleading. Theoretical studies only have passing mentions, and are mainly on the OF3+ ion. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:30, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Primary references include:

  • [1] mention of heat of formation of ion in a table on page 33.
  • [2] theoretical Ionization and dissociation energy on page 206 as entry in table.

Secondary references include:

  • [3] expands the table entries from 2 primary references into words.
  • [4] mentions the dissociation energy from the price reference and speculates on a molecular shape. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:42, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Jolly, William L.; Gin, Christina (September 1977). "The estimation of heats of formation of gaseous cations from core electron binding energies". International Journal of Mass Spectrometry and Ion Physics. 25 (1): 27–37. doi:10.1016/0020-7381(77)80101-0.
  2. ^ Price, W. C.; Passmore, T. R.; Roessler, D. M. (1963). "Ionization and dissociation energies of the hydrides and fluorides of the first row elements in relation to their electronic structures". Discussions of the Faraday Society. 35: 201. doi:10.1039/DF9633500201.
  3. ^ F Fluorine: Compounds with Oxygen and Nitrogen. Springer Science & Business Media. 29 June 2013. ISBN 978-3-662-06339-2.
  4. ^ Chase, Malcolm W. "NIST-JANAF Thermochemical Tables for the Oxygen Fluorides"
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 02:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per lack of notability, just a rare passing mention in a primary lit and in compendia of all related chemicals. Even one of the refs includes a CASNo that upon searching CAS notes that the number is deleted and redirects to a chemical with a different number of fluorines. And as nom noted, it's misleading or conflating the neutral and cationic entities. There was an objection to a PROD, with a suggestion to merge/redirect to Oxygen fluoride. But I don't see enough here to merit listing there if we can't even be sure what actual entity the refs are talking about. And if there's nothing except (at best) database tokens and machine-calculated MW and confusion in the lit over WP:V details, there's nothing to merge or even say, and therefore the redirect wouldn't be valid. DMacks (talk) 03:03, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - not a chemist so take this with a pinch of salt, but isn't this topic the same as Trifluorooxonium? JMWt (talk) 08:15, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Trifluorooxonium is the ion (OF3+) I mentioned above, formally derived by taking an electron off Oxygen trifluoride. So they are related but differ, and perhaps this page could be a redirect to it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:51, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete At this point it's just an entry from a database table; one would think that if it were real, it would be showing up as an entry in Derek Lowe's "Things I Won't Work With" series, right next to dioxygen difluoride, which one has to think is less reactive. Mangoe (talk) 12:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete per Mangoe; in the unlikely event of this existing, it would undoubtedly delete itself (and its immediate surroundings) with impressive rapidity and enthusiasm, and we should respect its wishes. Elemimele (talk) 13:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for reasons given above, the creator of the article seems to be thinking of the OF3+ cation. While we are at it, we should probably also delete OF4, since I can't find any documentation that substance exists either. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 15:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This seems to be fantasy, maybe due to misunderstanding of statements about OF3+. Athel cb (talk) 18:09, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - Is a merge or redirect to Oxygen fluoride with considering as an WP:ATD? ~Kvng (talk) 15:18, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - See related discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oxygen tetrafluoride. ~Kvng (talk) 15:18, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Mostly passing mentions of a hypothetical. Also, per User:DMacks. ARandomName123 (talk) 20:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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