Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Noctography

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Noctograph. JForget 01:45, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Noctography

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Violation of WP:NEO - unsourced article about a non-notable neologism. Claritas (talk) 14:45, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to night photography. Don't include in lead unless sources show that this is used frequently. It's little else it can be so rd seems unproblematic. Taemyr (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to night photography. Same reason: neologism WP:NEO. Jason Quinn (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to noctograph. After DMacks thoughtful comments and in light of the new article noctograph about some sort of writing instrument, I have changed my opinion and believe "notography" should redirect to the writing instrument. This belief rests on two assumptions. One, that the writing instrument is itself a notable article. And two, that the night photography version of "noctography" has not been proven to be in widespread use and therefore does not deserve any article, including a redirect. If appropriate third person support is found to suggest "noctography" for night photography is gaining traction, then I would support a disambiguation page. Until then, it is just something somebody made up. Jason Quinn (talk) 14:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Noctography also refers to an unrelated photographic technique involving long exposure times, hence the disambiguation page. Claritas (talk) 15:02, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (without redirect)^† as WP:NEO. Is there any evidence that the word is used/known really at all with this meaning other than by coiner? Googling finds another meaning ("painting with light"--essentially using moving light sources to create patterns on photographic plate, for example ~~time-lapse~~time exposure of highway with headlights making lines) that apparently is an artform with some following. And comments on their message-boards say that the Benbow-claimed meaning is not the same real meaning and not notable (in the casual not WP:N sense) itself. And there's an entirely different OED-supported definition (one also used in some apparently important scholarship) involving writing for the blind. So the term as meant in the article is not notable in that sense, and adding a redirect to what might be the least popular/notable use doesn't seem to be worthwhile. DMacks (talk) 17:08, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
^†...and replace with alternate content per following discussion. DMacks (talk) 19:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Incidentally, concerning the OED definition, I created the article Noctograph earlier today. Would a redirect there be appropriate ? Claritas (talk) 17:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  I'd be more comfortable with a DAB page listing that and time-exposure. Two very different meanings in wildly different genres. DMacks (talk) 18:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  I've created one at Noctography (disambiguation), and I propose redirecting Noctography there once the discussion is finished. Regards. Claritas (talk) 18:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  Looks nice. May as well just move the (dab) page to replace the one at the primarytopic rather than redirecting to it. DMacks (talk) 19:01, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:09, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Turn into disambiguation page~~ Redirect to Noctograph. (Tips of the hat to DMacks and Claritas.) Let's look at the initial "Noctography" article, composed by an editor with the possibly relevant name of "Noctographer": Noctography was a term coined in 2007 by Chris Benbow and is now a worldwide terms used by photographers. It is an abbreviated term of the words Nocturnal Photography. Noctography is a word that Chris Benbow is hoping that will be made in to the dictionary one day because of it's mass usage. Noctography is any sort of photography done at night on either film or digital. Nice try, Chris. Trouble is, you shot yourself in the foot with a bazooka. The disambig page should be watched to ensure that it doesn't mention this goofy attempt at a neologism for a pointless notion. (Any sort of photography? Even that done within a studio with the same artificial lighting options 24 hours a day?) -- Hoary (talk) 01:50, 9 May 2010 (UTC) Amended. Yes, Noctograph can become a disambiguation page IFF there's much evidence for the second use (about time exposure) in addition to the subject now covered by Noctograph. (None of this has anything to do with any innovation of one Chris Benbow.) -- Hoary (talk) 10:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.