Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nikos Lekatsas

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Garuda3 (talk) 21:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nikos Lekatsas

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Fails GNG and BIO. Sources in the article are database, Single source on el.wp is a brief mention with stats. BEFORE showed nothing that meets SIGCOV from IS RS addressing the subject directly and in-depth. // Timothy :: talk 13:07, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Greece. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:58, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The Greek wiki article for Lekatsas lists "Νικος Λεκατσας: Το Καμαρι Της Νικαιας Και Του Πειραιως" (Nikos Lekatsas: The Arch of Nicaea and Piraeus) as the main source for the article, while also listing "Εθνική Ελλάδος πορεία μέσα στο χρόνο" (National Greece course over time). This, in my opinion, is similar to a number of British football articles for players at this time, who also have book sources listed. Lekatsas was a Greek international, and undoubtably picked up coverage during his playing career. Also, Greece had just come out of the Second World War and a Civil War at the time, so I imagine archiving footballing articles wasn't at the forefront of anyone's mind. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 14:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per above. Yet another bizarre football deletion nomination from this user... Lekatsas was a clearly significant figure in Greek football in the pre-internet era. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Poor translation of the sources above, let me help. The title of the article in the sports magazine Athletiki Echo reads "Nikos Lekatsas: the pride of Nikaia and Pireaus". I have no access to this article but the high praise in the title essentially indicates that this article is SIGCOV and further sources are likely to exist. The book source given in the article (The Greek National Team through the Course of Time) is pretty generic, I don't know how in depth the coverage of Lekatsas is, but all in all, it's pretty obvious that a solid WP:BEFORE is essentially impossible here due to multiple factors (old age of sources, poor digitisation of Greek sources, barriers regarding alphabet and an intervening language reform etc.). The WP:GOOGLETEST doesn't really suffice so I'll err on the side of presuming notability based on what we have. --GGT (talk) 21:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, my knowledge of Greek only extends to what Google Translate can provide haha. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 23:11, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per arguments above about offline sources. No criticism of the nominator as a result. Giant Snowman 22:34, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Two database records and two refs another wikipedia that no one can verify is not enough to support an article. // Timothy :: talk 23:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, just because it's difficult to verify for people who don't live in Greece, it doesn't mean that no one can verify. WP:SOURCEACCESS exists for this reason. The editor who added the magazine citation to the el.wiki article appears active, if one doubts that this article provides SIGCOV, contacting them would be a more constructive place to start as opposed to dismissing the source. The book is also available to order (including for international shipping) online. There is no arbitrary accessibility threshold that sources should meet to support an article. GGT (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Biographies need quality sourcing and this individual may be still alive, WP:BLP states, "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).

Does anyone have a source showing their birth and possible death date? or is the person's death just a personal opinion? // Timothy :: talk 13:04, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I think the offline sources point is a good argument – the Athletiki Echo is almost certain sigcov based on the title. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per comments above, baring the player has international caps, which is the top level you can get too in a playing career. It is hard to verify for an English perspective, but there is appears to be an essence of offline sources. Govvy (talk) 20:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep clearly passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.