Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nate Morris (basketball)

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:19, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nate Morris (basketball)[edit]

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Fails NHOOPS. Coverage around basketball is all ROUTINE and thus doesn't contribute to GNG. Most signficant coverage comes for arrest but that should not grant a person notability. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:31, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:34, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:34, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As creator of article, the subject received significant non-routine coverage in high school (by Rivals, NBC Sports, etc.) and was also featured in an article by The Dallas Morning News about the JBA. News about the arrest adds to notability. Runningibis (talk) 12:28, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I disagree with the nominator's premise that the most notable thing he did was get arrested. There are sources about his high school and JBA career for instance, including the Dallas Morning News article. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 12:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Editorofthewiki: I didn't suggest that his notability was for the arrest. I suggested that the most significant coverage was for the arrest, which (admittedly) does have WP:CRIME implications. But I assume the page was created because of Morris' basketball playing. As noted he fails WP:NHOOPS and also WP:ANYBIO so this is a GNG claim. The Dallas Morning News article is really about the JBA of which Morris is one of two players given coverage. His high school coverage is all routine for a D1 recruit. There is not evidence of sourcing to support GNG. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 13:11, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment I disagree that his high school coverage is routine for a D1 recruit. Articles like those by NBC Sports and Rivals, which are solely about Morris, are not published for every high school player with D1 offers. Runningibis (talk) 17:42, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 14:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The Dallas Morning News article was primarily on the JBA, and used Morris and fellow basketballer Wek as examples of players helped by the JBA. While this is a cut above a trivial mention, it is not as though this article could be said to be about Morris. I'm unclear on how the coverage in Rivals is non-routine, since they seem to have similar pages on anyone who is a prospect. The NBC Sports College Basketball Talk page [1] is the most outside non-routine coverage I can see, but even then I don't know that it suffices for WP:GNG. Gilded Snail (talk) 18:23, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Although Rivals has profile pages for every high school recruit, their articles (like the one cited) would be considered non-routine coverage. Runningibis (talk) 21:11, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - It would be helpful to provide links here to the pages you are referring to. When I looked up Morris on Rivals I got this, which is utterly routine. But I think you are referring to this, which is not great but at least an argument can be made that it is not routine (although I am not convinced). Rlendog (talk) 21:34, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - I am talking about the second link you provided. Runningibis (talk) 21:58, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:01, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete neither the college basketball+arrest coverage, nor the JBA coverage, is enough for me. There's certainly many sources, but the college coverage is local and WP:MILL, and the pro coverage is trivial. Possibly WP:TOOSOON; if he continues a professional career he's likely to meet notability guidelines in the future. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:42, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He doesn't meet any SNG and I think the coverage is too routine to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I wouldn't consider the articles on his dismissal from Ole Miss and arrests and the Rivals profile to be routine, but perhaps that's just me. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 18:32, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Athletes being arrested and/or dismissed from their college team is a very common occurrence these days. It seems like you're now claiming that's what makes him notable, given that he doesn't meet the notability criteria for basketball players. Papaursa (talk) 02:31, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Insufficient indepth coverage to meet WP:GNG, and he doesn't seem to meet WP:NBASKETBALL --GRuban (talk) 12:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG and WP:NBASKETBALL.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:10, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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