Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mikey Nicholls (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 23:21, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mikey Nicholls[edit]

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Contested A7 speedy, I can see an argument for notability hence putting to to AfD vs speedy deleting. Tawker (talk) 02:55, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No argument exists for notability as said notability relies on The Mighty Don't Kneel. This goes to WP:INHERIT. There is nothing in the article that proves notability of the individual. All his notable success has been with TMDK. This article should have been speedied IMO. 124.180.170.151 (talk) 05:31, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Half of Japan's top tag teams as recognized by an independent newspaper in Tokyo Sports. Has held the GHC Tag Team Championship, challenged for the GHC Heavyweight Championship and is consistently in featured matches for the promotion. WP:INHERIT works more for someone like Jonah Rock, who's the third member of TMDK and HE is not notable just because he's a member of the stable. Nicholls is the actual guy wrestling the matches, winning the titles and getting the praise. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (talk) 10:40, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the sourced material about what he's done on his own? Nowhere. This should be deleted - and redirected to TMDK at best. 124.180.170.151 (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning towards Keep - apparently Nicholls has won some singles championships as well, and had a shot at GHC's top title. Unless we're talking about a tag team of twins like the Usos or the Bella Twins, how many can you name where the tag team has an article but not the individual wrestlers? NOAH's a major promotion as well. starship.paint "YES !" 09:33, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The singles titles he has "won" are not notable. Referring to NOAH as a major promotion goes against WP:INHERIT. There are many tag teams where the individual members are not notable by themselves, unless they have done something notable by themselves. For instance you couldn't have done an article on either Shawn Michaels or Marty Jannetty prior to the break up in early 1992. It had to be the Rockers. Now of course both do stand up on their own because they have done notable things as individuals. 124.180.170.151 (talk) 10:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese promotions don't just throw championship matches around, especially for their top singles titles, so getting one is kind of a big deal. Noah, again a top promotion, recognized Nicholls worthy of challenging for their top title and winning the tag title and this, along with the recognition from outside the promotion, makes him notable. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (talk) 11:14, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

He is only recognized because of TMDK. Prove that he is recognized as an individual. Getting one title shot is NOT a big deal unless again you can show with sources how it is a big deal. Where's the blanket coverage putting him over as a threat? And if it's such a big deal, there should be coverage in English as an aside. I suggest you stop using TMDK's notability as a platform to debate this because yet again - notability is not inherited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.170.151 (talk) 12:05, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you stop citing WP:INHERIT, when you don't seem to know what it means. He's not some TMDK flunky getting by just because his associates are superstars. You seem to think that everything he has done while teaming with Haste should be just left out, when discussing Nicholls' notability. That's ridiculous. And there is no English coverage for the simple reason that he's not American. リボン・サルミネン (Ribbon Salminen) (talk) 13:01, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll keep citing WP:INHERIT because it's a factor - a factor that you are totally ignoring. We have an aricle on TMDK. That's where that material goes and not here. NOAH has coverage in the US doesn't it? So why is there an issue with Nicholls not being American? Maybe it has nothing to do with it. Maybe it's to do with the fact that he is not notable. 124.180.170.151 (talk) 22:40, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:07, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:30, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep One-half of a well-known, award-winning tag team. I'm not sure how important the GHC Championship is, but he did win that title. The Steve 05:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge and Redirect to The Mighty Don't Kneel. I agree with the 124 IP. Notability as an individual has not been established. All keep arguments rely on The Mighty Don't Kneel and not on Nicholls as an inidividual. There's virtually nothing in the article (that's notable) about any individual achievements he has made. BerleT (talk) 03:21, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn per my comments on the Kellie Skater AfD. BerleT (talk) 07:19, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per BerleT but nothing to merge due to lack of notability. TMDK covers everything. 1.124.85.78 (talk) 22:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note The delete vote from the IP (124...), as well as the subsequent replies to the keep votes, is a (now-blocked) sockpuppet of a banned user. GaryColemanFan (talk) 01:27, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Mighty Don't Kneel Not individually notable.204.126.132.231 (talk) 15:28, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All these damn puppets are making me suspicious of IPs / redusers ... especially those that participate in deletion discussions. starship.paint "YES !" 10:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Achieved much success as a wrestler, in promotions where titles aren't passed around like the WWE Hardcore Championship.LM2000 (talk) 10:16, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable at all. Success level is not objective. Titles are passed around on a whim no mater what the promotion or title. 203.17.215.22 (talk) 03:36, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If success level is not objective then what the hell is? Winning championships isn't a measure of notability? Ahem? starship.paint "YES !" 03:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What championships? What has he won? Nothing notable at all on his own. As for TMDK they have ONE title once and that's it. Do better. 203.17.215.22 (talk) 05:28, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article clearly shows which championships he has won. Regardless, he now passes WP:GNG, in terms of reliable secondary sources' coverage, showing that he has wrestled internationally, challenging and winning championships. starship.paint "YES !" 06:48, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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