Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Prysner (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:01, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Prysner

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subject does not meet the threshold of notability; secondary sources generally only quote him as a bystander or participant in a protest he attended, or are published by liberationnews.org which is the newsletter of Party for Socialism and Liberation, which he is closely associated with. for what its worth, the article for the org itself was nominated for deletion which ended deadlocked.

some may note that the article has been nominated before. to save you some time:

the consensus was delete

the closing admin himself was banned several years later for sockpuppetry

here is the link to his SPI

i believe the status of the closing admin does not imply the subject of this article suddenly meets the threshold.

isadora of ibiza (talk) 04:35, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Military, California, and Florida. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I found two more RS more specifically about Prysner, but not closely related to him, "'Beyond 140': Iraq war vet Michael Prysner on the Fort Hood shooting" Al Jazeera and "Activists’ anti-war fight continues" Beverly Press. I added these to the article. I think they help us get to a minimum threshold of notability for a "keep".Nowa (talk) 11:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per evidence provided by Nowa.--User:Namiba 21:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
i would like to re-anchor this discussion in the biographical notability guidelines. since the vast majority of this individual’s news coverage centers around his political activities, we should apply WP:NPOL, which i’ll inline here: (emphasis added)
The following are presumed to be notable:
Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them.

Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.

Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the general notability guideline.

the closest this person has come to gaining any sort of ratification for his ideas is his failed write-in campaign for Florida's 22nd congressional district.

of course, WP:NPOL is not the only way a subject can meet the notability threshold; he could still meet the WP:GNG. but i will note that, per the GNG: significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article.

in my opinion, the two articles Nowa has provided are examples of news outlets interviewing a proponent of a WP:FRINGE viewpoint in order to provide coverage of the viewpoint. the fringe viewpoint itself might be notable, but examples of individual proponents are not necessarily notable in their own right. moreover, the political organization he leads, March Forward!, does not currently have an article, which should be a clue that even the viewpoint he espouses may not meet the threshold of notability. wikipedia is not an indiscriminate index of political dissidents.

isadora of ibiza (talk) 21:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Prysner is primarily known as an activist, not a politician. Regardless, WP:GNG is the primary guideline and the sources presented demonstrate that the subject passes WP:GNG.--User:Namiba 22:34, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rellisting. The article subject doesn't claim to be a politician but an activist so WP:NPOL is being misapplied by the nominator. And I have closed a lot of AFDs and never considered the standing of the admin who closed a previous discussion years ago to affect a discussion today. But the relisting is just to hopefully get some more participation here. What is important is not what you may think of the article subject but what reliable sources exist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. PSL was nominated for deletion 16 years ago and is very easily notable now. Prysner is a well known anti-war activist, his non-notable political career is secondary to the status he has in opposition to American imperialism. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:19, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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