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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Black Kite (t) (c) 09:21, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Carter (Heir)

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PROD-contested by article creator. Fails WP:BIO. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 07:24, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. No reliable sources to indicate notability. Being "most widely known for being the son of multi-millionaire David Carter" does not indicate notability. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    The link you were looking for for that second point was WP:NOTINHERITED. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 08:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • imdb credible source. twitter shows notoriety.—The preceding text was posted by Belieber101 (talk⋅contribs), 07:31, August 5, 2011 (UTC).
    Comment: Notoriety is not notability. Notability has a specific meaning in Wikipedia context. --Darkwind (talk) 05:24, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Reliable source of IMDB added indicating that person is an Actor and person's twitter shows being known by over 16 thousand people and increasing. Notability, a famous or important person. Belieber101 (talk) 08:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)— Belieber101 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
    Comment You might want to take a look at WP:RS, particularly the bit where it says, "self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable. This includes any website whose content is largely user-generated, including the Internet Movie Database, Cracked.com, CBDB.com, and so forth." Yunshui (talk) 08:16, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict)Having an IMDB profile may prove information in the article is correct but it doesn't show notability. In addition, follower count on Twitter means nothing, as it's fairly easy to abuse that number and as such holds no real weight. See WP:BASIC: A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 08:20, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. WP:NOTINHERITED fits quite well here, without the slightest irony. No reliable sources to show that he is notable in and of his own right. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:07, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. His chief claim for notability is being the son and heir of David Carter, current owner of Carter Investments, yet neither David Carter nor Carter Investments have received enough coverage to be considered notable enough to inspire Wikipedia articles about them, at least not yet. Is it sufficiently notable to be heir of a company that is not itself notable? Or son of a man who is not notable? My thought would be no. And, independent of his connection to David Carter and Carter Investments, little in the article and nothing in my research indicates that he has otherwise made himself notable, save for the claims that he consorts with numerous celebrities, which, if true, still doesn't make him notable; he himself must receive coverage by multiple, third party reliable sources. The sources listed on the page to not satisfy this requirement, and my attempts to find reliable sources that do substantiate notability have been unsuccessful. Rising*From*Ashes (talk) 10:00, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep A google search shows interest in this person. While information may be scarce, there is a tremendous amount of interest and could be resolved through this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belieber101 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    Please only leave one bolded opinion on an AfD discussion. This helps the closing admin to gauge consensus. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 12:59, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict):Reply Really? What search terms did you use? I found a mass of stuff on a wide variety of people named Matt (or Matthew) Carter, but next-to-nothing on the subject of this article. Also, please do not add additional !votes in an AfD discussion - you have already made your recommendation to Keep, above. Yunshui (talk) 13:04, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete for the record, my two cents says he's non-notable, per my own Google searches and the general notability guidelines/ Yunshui (talk) 13:04, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I initially tagged this as a hoax, due to the low quality of the references - Tripod, really? I'm still not convinced this isn't a hoax, considering the IMDB actor uses a different name, and certain personal details aren't mentioned here. A Google search on "Carter Investments" "Matt Carter" only shows this page - which has been deleted three times already. MikeWazowski (talk) 13:59, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Think of the amount of people who are famous for accomplishing absolutely nothing; being known for having a famous last name and riding off the success of their forefathers. This guy obviously has earnt his entitlement to a Wiki page. Someone may have to rewrite it however to the format of the norm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.120.250 (talk) 14:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC) — 60.242.120.250 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Comment: The subject of the article has tweeted about its deletion. Expect at least a few irrelevant keep votes in here. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 14:07, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Google seems to indicate not notable. And, of course, WP:NOTINHERITED :-) --Noleander (talk) 18:36, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Wikipedia is not the social register for the overly entitled spawn of the big bourgeoisie. How's that for a deletion rationale? Not satisfied??? How about saying this is essentially unsourced BLP, written by someone with close connection to the subject, and burdened by bilge like: "While being considered a “party boy”, Carter is very charitable and has donated a huge amount of money to many charities. Carter’s friend Gabriel when asked to describe his friend said, “He is very energetic and loves to party but at the end of the day, he knows he is blessed and tries to pay it forward every chance he gets." That is sourced to................ the opinion of the writer. Yesh. WP:BARFBAG and WP:MAKEITSTOP. Carrite (talk) 22:19, 5 August 2011 (UTC) Last edit: Carrite (talk) 22:20, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • SPEEDY DELETE by request of the subject via twitter. "How do I get Wiki to delete the article about me?" "I dont want random people knowing how much I'm worth" Belieber101 (talk) 00:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 01:55, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not enough information to establish notability and (as been stated several times already) WP:NOTINHERITED. --Esanchez(Talk 2 me or Sign here) 04:35, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above; no independent notability. --Darkwind (talk) 05:24, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This article appears to be exaggerating the subject's notability. I have not been able to find any independent sources discussing his father David Carter or the investment firm that the subject is supposedly the heir to. Furthermore, there are only four sources cited. The first is his IMDb page, which indicates that the subject plays mostly uncredited roles and usually plays roles without a personal name ("Student," "Grunge Kid #2," "Skateboard Kid," etc.). The only role with a personal name he is listed as ever having played is "Kirk" in an episode of "The Suite Life of Zack and Cody", for which he is listed as having his "scenes deleted" -- meaning he didn't actually appear in the episode. Thus, his IMDb credits don't establish him as having a great deal of notability as an actor. The second source is this picture of an obviously fake newspaper clipping. The third source is this not-particularly-reliable-looking page on Tripod.com. And the fourth source is the subject's Twitter page, which is not an independent source. If this subject were the celebrity socialite that the article claims he is, there would be much better sources available than these. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:22, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The newsclipping is definitely a fake, generated by The Newspaper Clipping Generator. Not only that, I was easily able to recreate his "newsclipping" website, which appears to be a self-published site. MikeWazowski (talk) 16:10, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Looking more and more like a candidate for G3 deletion to me... Yunshui (talk) 19:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Close to G3, but not quite. The IMDb profile is genuine. Biographical information on that site is crowdsourced but the rest largely comes from industry databases AFAIK. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 21:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete. The IMDB page being cited, aside from not being a reliable source, suggests that his roles have been extremely minor. Until he's done something independently of note, his being an heir isn't enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. sonia♫ 06:29, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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