Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matiur Rahman (army officer)

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The result was keep‎ . $Salvio giuliano$ 10:05, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Matiur Rahman (army officer)[edit]

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BIO1E per article. No objection to a redirect to Assassination of Ziaur Rahman#Executed officers. Most of the article is about the event, and the event article covers it well. I don't see any sourced info worth a merge, but if someone sees material, I don't object to it (text added 01:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)). A best this is a completely unneed CFORK. // Timothy :: talk 00:23, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Crime, Military, and Bangladesh. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep- He was one of the main assassins in the Assassination of Ziaur Rahman#Executed officers. He shot and killed the President of Bangladesh, so his role is significant per WP:BIO1E but sourcing leaves much to be desired. I would also be okay with a Merge.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 00:15, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see anything, but no objection to merging sourced content if someone wishes to. All I ask is that the merged material improve the target, not just be dropped in. // Timothy :: talk 01:28, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:15, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:06, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- Please take a look at the sources before closing.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 22:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Assassination of Ziaur Rahman per WP:ONEEVENT. I've also nominated Shah Mohammad Fazle Hossain, another assassin, for deletion. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:32, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: no objection to a Redirect to Assassination of Ziaur Rahman. // Timothy :: talk 12:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Matiur Rahman is notable only for assassinating President Ziaur Rahman, but WP:ONEEVENT doesn't say we shouldn't have a stand alone article about someone notable for only one event, it says we should consider how significant the event was, and how substantial their role in it was. The assassination was a highly significant event within the history of Bangladesh. The evidence that Matiur Rahman's role in it was substantial is shown by reliable sources, which say things like: "Lt.Col. Matiur Rahman and Lt.Col. Mahboob - the two officers who played a vital role in the operation at the Circuit House where Zia was killed", "Lt Col Motiur Rahman ... one of the main actors on the anti-Zia team", "Col. Matiur Rahman and Lt. Col. Mahbub, who were allegedly among the coup leaders".

Not only is he one of only 2-3 of the dozen or more conspirators that historical scholarship bothers to highlight by name, those sources go into a bit of detail about his background, motivation, and actions in planning the event. His biography is understandably truncated, since he was in turn killed three days after the assassination, but it is not a permastub, pseudo-biography, or a mere rehash of Assassination of Ziaur Rahman. Indeed, it is much better sourced and written than that article, and should not simply be redirected away. I've added to his biography's talk page several reliable sources (particularly the book by Moudud Ahmed) that could be used to improve the article. --Worldbruce (talk) 17:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It is interesting that WP:BLP1E gives three criteria, all must be met, and the third one is about someone's role in an event, and the specific example given is an assassination! John Hinckley Jr., for example, has a separate article because the single event he was associated with, the Reagan assassination attempt, was significant, and his role was both substantial and well documented.. So if one of the three criteria are not met, then BLP1E guides us to keep. CT55555(talk) 01:20, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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