Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madelyn Marie (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. —Cryptic 04:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Madelyn Marie

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Fails WP:PORNBIO, WP:GNG or other suitable specific guidelines. No award wins, just a few nominations. Interviews to pornographic websites and press releases do not carry enough notability to justify an article on the subject. In my searches I found anything of substance, except for several false positives about other people with the same name. Cavarrone 08:02, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes WP:PORNBIO criteria #2 ("starred in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature") for her role of Katwoman in BatfXXX: Dark Night Parody, which is a lead character in that film. Rebecca1990 (talk) 09:10, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - passes WP:PORNBIO criteria #2. Subtropical-man talk
(en-2) 17:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above - Passes PORNBIO #2. –Davey2010^Talk 19:41, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Cavarrone's analysis is spot on. PORNBIO #2 is not met; absent evidence that BatfXXX is generally regarded as "iconic, groundbreaking, or [a] blockbuster", and that the subject's role constitutes the "unique contribution" required by the primary element of PORNBIO #2, the argument must fail. (And routine trade press hype would generally be insufficient.) Moreover, and more important, this BLP is singularly devoid of reliable biographical sources; the subject's various versions of her biography are inconsistent, and include rather implausible claims (US colleges generally do not offer premed majors, and GWU's page on premed programs doesn't even suggest one exists; the claim that the subject owns a plantation and runs a horse breeding operation is even less credible). Just a BLP without reliable sources and unusually dubious claims. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 22:24, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I don't expect sources to fact check their straight interviews, just that they properly attribute things. The interviewee could be lying or presenting a fictional character, but I don't disqualify wrestling publications as being reliable because the interview may be kayfabe. A pre-med major is not a specific major but is any science major that includes classes that satisfies the prerequisites of most medical schools. The typical premed majors are biology, biochem, anatomy, biomedical engineering but could be most science degrees. Students, faculty, and admins use the term interchangeably. You usually don't hear the same for pre-law because most law schools don't have class prereqs. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:22, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I don't believe Batfuck qualifies as an iconic, groundbreaking, or blockbuster movie to satisfy criteria 2 of PORNBIO. I also don't believe the sources in the article are independent enough to satisfy the general notability guidelines. A combination of interviews and articles based off the same press release/conference (the contract signing) is not enough to cut it. Morbidthoughts (talk) 00:30, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't understand how there could be any doubts over BatfXXX: Dark Night Parody being an "iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature" with this many awards. Rebecca1990 (talk) 05:06, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Explain how it is iconic like say Deepthroat, Debbie Does Dallas, or something recent like Fashionistas? How was it groundbreaking? Did it sweep the awards or even win best video like Pirates? As for blockbuster, do you have any evidence of revenue? So yeah, there's plenty of doubt on my end. Morbidthoughts (talk) 08:00, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was the second most awarded film at the 28th AVN Awards. Rebecca1990 (talk) 08:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So how is being second in a year to another Batman parody groundbreaking? Criteria 2 is meant to be a more rigorous standard. Morbidthoughts (talk) 08:19, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michig (talk) 10:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Concur with Morbidthoughts. Finnegas (talk) 13:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails Gng and is a blp. Arguments around iconic batfucks are not persuasive. Spartaz ^Humbug! 13:16, 24 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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