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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 06:51, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MSI Computer Camps[edit]

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I PRODded on the grounds that "Schools aren't A7 so assuming school-sponsored camp isn't. Nothing to indicate notability and a BEFORE indentifies only listings for the camp. Not mentioned in University article, so a redirect isn't helpful". Per Ddragonsdd it's not sponsored by the university. However there's still no evidence that they're notable regardless of who sponsors them so we're here. Star Mississippi 16:28, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I believe this is notable because the MSI Computer Camps are the main topic of two of the articles linked (https://web.archive.org/web/20120229223932/http://www.uregina.ca/news/newsreleases.php?release=330 and https://www.uregina.ca/science/cs/) as well as a news station interview. These are reliable and independent sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddragonsdd (talk • contribs) 16:45, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Press releases from the University where the camp is held do not meet independent requirements for notability, unfortunately. Star Mississippi 17:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete- It appears that covid cancelled or delayed the program out as the last registration occurred in 2019. The SPA who wrote the article declined the PROD, so no big deal there but I cannot find much mention of the program and any lasting notability. The decline on the PROD was basically: this exists and is not part of the University of Regina. The references are very poor, with the second and archived reference saying: A summer camp alternative exists..., which sticks out like a sore thumb to me. Notability is not established as we don't keep WP:ENN content for everything that exists. Some minor mentions that the program exists but nothing about them. Doesn't meet the notability standards: WP:GNG, and I guess WP:NONPROFIT and WP:BRANCH as it is not directly funded by U of R, but is mentioned by them. Jip Orlando (talk) 16:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems like a strange precedent to set to cite COVID cancelled 2 years of operation in an over 20 year operating history. The camp has been physically located at multiple locations over it's history including ISM Canada, a local high school, and multiple faculties at the University of Regina. The University does not hold the MSI Computer Camps and has no influence upon the organization that does run them. You will also notice that there is a local news organization's interview of a camp organizer now linked to the article. Do what you must, I would just like to state that notability should not need to meet a specific scale which seems to be the primary complaint about this page. Ddragonsdd (talk) 18:48, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi! You should definitely read WP:ORG and reliable sources as I do not believe you understand what is required for WIkipedia notability, unfortunately. Local news interviews are generally not considered secondary sources. Star Mississippi 18:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That comment just feels petty, but you are right, I probably don't. As I said above, do what you must. Ddragonsdd (talk) 19:42, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I apologize, it's not meant to be petty. It's a simple fact that there are requirements to be included and it does not appear the camp meets them. That's OK, many things don't meet the criteria. Labeling it as stub does not change the requirements. We'll agree to disagree and see how what other folks think. Star Mississippi 20:03, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I have marked this as a stub. Using some of Star Mississippi's articles as a reference, it has become apparent that stubs are not held to the same rigorous standards, so stub may be more appropriate for this page. Ddragonsdd (talk) 19:53, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ddragonsdd: I have undone that stubbing: that is not the way to protect a 12-year-old article from deletion, just a way to waste the time of stub-sorters. As has been said above "Labeling it as stub does not change the requirements." You appear to be an editor with very little experience (this article being the only one you have edited), so please read and note advice you are given. PamD 07:46, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. It's not notable, as far as I can see. Come up with a convincing argument otherwise and I'll happily change my stance. Chumpih t 19:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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