Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of thwarted Islamic terrorist attacks

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:08, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of thwarted Islamic terrorist attacks[edit]

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This is a POV fork of List of terrorist incidents and a mess of WP:OR. Many of the citations used don't refer to the person/s involved in the incidents as being Islamic. Any content that isn't irredeemably biased or original research belongs in List of terrorist incidents along with all other terrorist incidents. This page should be deleted and set to redirect to List of terrorist incidents. AlanS^talk 00:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, Politics, Terrorism, Religion, Islam, and Lists. AlanS^talk 00:24, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As Dynamo128 typed at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks, "If there are problems with original research or accidental inclusions of unrelated events, then that should mean the article ought to be fixed, not that the page as a whole should be deleted."-1Firang (talk) 01:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC) Blocked editor. AlanS^talk 06:23, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your talk page shows that you've recently had a topic ban for India and Pakistan related topics. Additionally that you've been in disputes with other editors regarding Rape in Afghanistan, Stoning in Islam, Rape in Islamic law and History of slavery in the Muslim world. AlanS^talk 02:19, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: since I was quoted, I would like to clarify that I was not party to any discussions on talk pages relating to these pages, I left a comment at a point when I thought the removal was just the initiative of a single user. --Dynamo128 (talk) 06:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~So?-1Firang (talk) 05:01, 31 July 2023 (UTC)~~ Blocked editor. AlanS^talk 06:23, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Considering the advice that's been provided to you from administrators I find this odd. AlanS^talk 05:14, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If 1Firang is WP:AGF, then he is allowed to comment on a deletion article. Obviously, admins will hold caution, but he has given good rationale for his !vote regardless of his past (plus it'll help show he's improving as an editor in other areas). Conyo14 (talk) 05:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dynamo128, I wouldn't worry about it. A review of @1Firang contributions indicates that they had a history of copy and pasting content from one article to another without checking the background or if it was relevant to where they were pasting it to. AlanS^talk 07:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't really see a fork, but I don't appreciate the narrow scope to Islam. I'd be fine with having an article for List of thwarted terrorist attacks. That would be a notable topic not significantly covered by the main list and it avoids placing blame on a group of people. Conyo14 (talk) 05:50, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note that List of right-wing terrorist attacks also has a discussion in Articles for Deletion.

Note that List of left-wing terrorist attacks also has a discussion in Articles for Deletion.

Note that List of Islamist terrorist attacks also has a discussion in Articles for Deletion.

Delete: I'm noticing a severe lack of notability in the majority of the entries here, making the list rather pointless. The dead giveaway is the lack of linked articles for most, but beyond that, the very nature of the topic, in many cases simply planned or plotted incidents, or just police tip-offs of 'imminent threats', are not generally, in of themselves, notable anythings. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:40, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I concur with Conyo14 that List of thwarted terrorist attacks is needed. --TheLonelyPather (talk) 07:12, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't List of terrorist incidents sufficiently cover thwarted terrorist attacks? AlanS^talk 07:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thwarted attacks seems like an acceptable fork (as long as each event is cited). Conyo14 (talk) 17:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It may be worth noting that a sub-list exists at Islamic terrorism in Europe#Terrorist plots. TompaDompa (talk) 07:57, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral The name is a problem. It should be Islamic extremist instead of Islamic. But this information is found elsewhere. Lists of terrorists attacks should list the ones that were thwarted. The second thing listed is a successful, not thwarted, plane hijacking, where they then thwarted their plane to crash it into buildings by fighting with the hijackers and the plane itself just crashed and they all died. Dream Focus 09:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. (Comment carried over from WP:NPOVN): I don't agree with using the term "Islamic terrorism" or "Islamist terrorism" in wikivoice, even if there are sources that are normally considered to be reliable that use the term. Numerous religions have had extremists who commit atrocities and terrorist attacks motivated or partly motivated by religious belief. Many such acts in Africa, Latin America and elsewhere in the period of colonialism were justified as a means to spread Christianity. But we don't use the term "Christian terrorism". Similarly, Biblical justification has been used by Israelis when committing horrific acts against Palestinians in order to establish and maintain the occupation. But we don't use the term "Jewish terrorism". AFAIK "Islamic/ist terrorism" is the only term in frequent use that implies a direct connection between a major religion and terrorism, and in that way slanders the vast majority of adherents of Islam, who abhor terrorism. Wikipedia should avoid the term, especially in view of the dangerous growth of Islamophobia in the US and Europe. NightHeron (talk) 21:13, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Many such acts in Africa, Latin America and elsewhere in the period of colonialism were justified as a means to spread Christianity. But we don't use the term "Christian terrorism". Similarly, Biblical justification has been used by Israelis when committing horrific acts against Palestinians in order to establish and maintain the occupation. But we don't use the term "Jewish terrorism". We do; see Christian terrorism and Jewish religious terrorism (the latter uses "religious" because Jewish is also an ethnic group; this concern doesn't apply to Christian or Islamic). BilledMammal (talk) 00:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article Christian terrorism has a section on terminology that discusses why the term "Christian terrorism" is disputed and "problematic". AFAIK that term is not in wide use. Neither is "Jewish religious terrorism". I don't think it's appropriate for any of these political-spin terms that attempt to link a religion with terrorism to be used in wikivoice. In some cases a move to a different title or a merging might be best -- for example, merging Jewish religious terrorism into Zionist political violence. NightHeron (talk) 14:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per previous comments. — Sadko (words are wind) 12:46, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep or merge to List of Islamic terrorist attacks, per my comment at the "left-wing terrorism" AfD — this is more clearly-defined and less-obvious POV or OR. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 16:36, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.