Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of musicians who play left handed (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, default to keep. Sandstein 21:27, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of musicians who play left handed[edit]

Basically a list of trivia, devoid of sources. I'm curious since I'm left handed myself (I play guitar right-handed, though), and I can sort of see how this might be important in cases like Paul McCartney or Jimi Hendrix, but overall there has been no attempt to improve this article since the last AfD, and I don't really see anything notable about these musicians other than that they (possibly) play left handed. Furthermore, I can't find any sources pertaining to other musicians else than the few most notable examples such as Hendrix. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 03:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fun to flip through but unsourced and fairly arbitrary list. JJL (talk) 03:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. also delete List of musicians who play right handed --T-rex 03:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It was nominated for deletion in Nov 2007, and I suggest you read the discussion there. This is not an arbitrary collection - there is an entire book written on left-handed guitarists (see the first nomination discussion). The book states that at least some left-handed players play differently because they are left-handed. Playing guitar left-handed can be a completely different thing. There are three essential ways a left-handed person may play guitar, compared to only one for right-handed people. As far as them "possibly" playing left-handed, as far as I could, I verified that each does play left-handed, and not simply a left-handed person that plays right-handed. I haven't been able to check all of the ones other editors added, though. Bubba73 (talk), 05:00, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This is not and arbitrary intersection, the way "left-handed singers" would be. I've added some images to illustrate the article. Bubba73 (talk), 05:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For most instruments (flute, piano, etc), left-handed people play them the same way as right handed-people. That isn't the case for guitars. There are really five ways to play: (1) right-handed, (2) a right-handed instrument flipped over and picked with the left hand, making the strings backward, (3) a right-handed guitar flipped over, with the strings altered to be in the correct order for a left-handed person, (4) a true left-handed guitar (mirror image of a right-handed guitar), and (5) a guitar that is styled like a left-handed guitar but with the reversed, so they are upside down (for a lefty). Bubba73 (talk), 02:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bubba, you can add the word "keep" if you want to. Nominators and authors are allowed to "vote" as the rest of us are, in the sense of putting a label on their comment. Mandsford (talk) 14:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The consensus in November was "Encyclopedic topic, lots of room for expansion", and the article has been expanded upon since then, with the addition of more context. As I've said before, if you know anything about playing the guitar, you know that most guitars are designed to be played right-handed. My understanding is that in string instruments, fingering the chords is done with one hand, and that the distinction among artists is how they play the chords with the other hand, and that it does make a difference which hand is dominant. As the article points out more clearly now, some lefties learned how to play right-handed, while others had the "odd" guitar. Mandsford (talk) 14:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable, trivial list. Which hand you play an instrument with isn't very significant. Article also has few to no sources Yamakiri ^T_C § 07-2-2008 • 19:51:13 19:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is very significant for a left-handed player. Bubba73 (talk), 01:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The topic has huge notability. The nomination confirms this and mostly just complains that no-one has worked upon the article. A blatant case of WP:SOFIXIT, WP:NOEFFORT, WP:IMPERFECT, AFD is not cleanup, etc. Colonel Warden (talk) 01:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment if it was only the guitar, I'd have had more sympathy for it. It would be a less arbitrary list. JJL (talk) 02:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

comment Drums are played left-handed or right-handed too, but there is a lot less to deal with in that case. Some left-handed people play drums right-handed (e.g. Ringo Starr). Bubba73 (talk), 02:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.