Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of cosmic entities in DC Comics

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep or more precisely there is a consensus not to delete. There is no consensus as between keeping as-is and redirecting to Cosmic entity (DC Comics). That does not need to be decided at AFD; it may be taken up further on the article talk page. Stifle (talk) 11:12, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of cosmic entities in DC Comics

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What makes this list of fictional characters pass WP:NFICTION/WP:LISTN? It seems unreferenced outside links two to primary sources (comics), too. WP:FANCRUFT/WP:OR red flags. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:32, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Passes WP:LISTN. For example, see Ranking The 15 Most Powerful DC Cosmic Characters; 15 Most Powerful DC Beings, Ranked From Weakest To Strongest; 10 Most Powerful Cosmic Entities In DC Comics. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:09, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think the subject passes LISTN, but I'm not convinced they current article is in anyway useful. At minimum, it should be limited to blue links only. At best, it would be expanded from bulleted names to a table providing actual information about the characters. I don't think it rises to WP:TNT, but I can't bring myself to call it a KEEP, either. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- poorly sourced, and no real evidence of meeting WP:LISTN. Nor is it a useful navigational aid. Reyk _YO! 17:30, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as navigational list per WP:LISTPURP, and WP:CLN as complement to Category:DC Comics cosmic entities, which has over 100 entries. postdlf (talk) 23:57, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Perfectly valid list article, aids in navigation, links to articles with a notable thing connecting them as proven by reliable sources found. Dream Focus 00:48, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jack Frost (talk) 11:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Cosmic entity (DC Comics). The current list needs massive culling. Not only should all of the non-notable, non-blue linked entries be removed, but many of the actual blue-linked entries should be as well, as they are characters that are not "cosmic entities", have never been described as such in the comics, and their inclusion here is pure WP:OR. In addition, many of the blue linked entries are not linking to pages to actual comic characters, as the DC versions are not at all notable, but to the articles on the actual mythological beings they were based on, whose articles do not talk about the DC versions at all. Once that has been done, the list will not be long enough that it would need to be split off from the main article. The main article is already functionally the same as this list is anyway - a small blurb explaining what a "cosmic entity" is, and then a large list of random characters. There is no reason to have basically the same thing spread across two articles. Any actual notable, blue-linked entries that are currently on this list, and not the other, can be easily moved over. Rorshacma (talk) 14:40, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Rorshacma, essentially redundant to the main article. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:28, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
EDIT: I've cleaned up the main article, I think. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep looks to be a perfectly valid and useful list article. Artw (talk) 17:03, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Per User:LaundryPizza03 and User:Rorshacma and their comments and cleanup of the article, this now seems to be a fork of Cosmic entity (DC Comics). At the very least, we don't need two articles that are effectively lists. Anyone who votes keep should at least consider a merge vote instead. Ping User:Andrew Davidson , User:Artw, User:Postdlf , User:Dream Focus. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:01, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The main article does not have most of what is listed here. So its a valid list article, no reason to eliminate it, wouldn't all fit properly over there. Dream Focus 02:13, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Most of what's listed here are non-blue linked entries with no context, no explanation, and no sources, or blue linked entries that actually link to articles that don't even mention DC comics, also with no context, explanation or sources. None of those should be even be in consideration for what would "fit" in a merger, as they should not be at either place. Rorshacma (talk) 04:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Discussion still continuing today indicates it's probably worthy of extending the AfD deadline for just a little bit more to achieve a clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 19:09, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but trim the hell out of it. Looks like a LISTN pass, but non-notable entries should be culled. Probably best to rework it as only for notable entries. Hog Farm _Bacon 19:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If we do that though, then there would literally be no difference between this and Cosmic entity (DC Comics). I honestly don't see why this topic needs to be repeated in two different article spaces, if you agree that this should be reduced to only the notable entries, which is exactly what the main article already contains. Rorshacma (talk) 00:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:LISTN aides in navigation and provides information for our readers Lightburst (talk) 19:46, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Cosmic entity (DC Comics). There's already a list of notable entries there.--Prisencolin (talk) 17:08, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Cosmic entity (DC Comics), as noted above that's where the notable ones are already listed; this is an unnecessary content fork. Sandstein 16:08, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep While I am not unsympathetic to the content fork point of view Cosmic entity, in a better developed form, should have far more prose than it does today. On the other hand the list would remain a list and has value as a navigational aid. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:00, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.