Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of conservative artists

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:52, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of conservative artists[edit]

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I'm not sure a "list of people who are conservative" is tenable. For one, often calling someone a conservative is using your own judgment, as opposed to something that's a fact like endorsing Trump or being a registered Republican. This list has many cases - Mike Love denies being a conservative, yet he is on this list. Chris Pratt says he isn't either, yet he is on this list. They could be conservative to you, but it's not a fact. We have people who are apparently conservative because they endorsed a Republican (Adam Sandler), in some cases many years ago, which doesn't make you conservative on its own. And unlike lists of people who endorsed someone in a certain year, we can't be certain thes have all aged well. Vera Miles endorsed Eisenhower in 1956, is that proof she is conservative right now? Or even was then? --Quiz shows 19:52, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and Lists of people. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as various kinds of WP:SYNTH: inferring people's political positions, grouping together a scattering of beliefs spanning countries and generations as "conservative", and throwing in some remarks about donations from "the entertainment industry". A list that includes a staunchly anti-religious libertarian like Frank Zappa; a QAnon proponent like Jim Caviezel; the Biden-endorsing Dwayne Johnson; the Soviet dissident Andrei Tarkofsky; the Democrat-turned-anticommunist Walt Disney; the pro-FDR, anti-McCarthy, eventually pro-Nixon John Ford; both Chopin and Kid Rock; etc., etc... That is not an informative list. XOR'easter (talk) 21:15, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not encyclopedic and possibly BLP violating. "Republican" and "conservative" are often different things - just ask Abraham Lincoln! casualdejekyll 21:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok with the broad idea, but referencing needs to be greatly improved. If kept, a rename is urgently needed - "artist" on Wikipedia means "visual artist", and "conservative" means very different things in the US and (frankly) just about everywhere else. Something like List of creatives in the arts with right of center views or something. Johnbod (talk) 21:35, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is that a tentative !Weak Keep? Not to characterize your comment. Asking for janny's sake. JFHJr (㊟) 02:30, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I suppose. It hardly seems to matter at the moment! Johnbod (talk) 02:59, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think it's definitely possible to have a "list of conservative Xs" but it needs to pass WP:NLIST and may be restricted to politicians and commentators. This list does not appear to and has massive WP:SYNTH concerns. SportingFlyer T·C 21:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Assuming this subject is a valid concept, it's at best a category. Conservatism doesn't mean the same thing even across the English speaking world/interwebs, across times and nations, or even discrete political topics. And this article fails WP:NLIST. The edit history full of BLP vios merits deletion. JFHJr (㊟) 01:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as hopelessly vauge and BLP violating. I would also support triming to only sourced entries. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 01:44, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 02:05, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as absurd. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:06, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with the delete reasoning above, and in the meantime this probably ought to be blanked for large-scale poorly sourced and unsourced claims about the political beliefs of living people. The footnote on Vanilla Ice says "he claims to be apolitical," the footnote on Alice Cooper says he "has described himself as extremely non-political," but they are still both listed here as conservatives. And also the source for Prince being a political conservative is an article that says he never voted and that "he slighted Republicans and Democrats — 'neither of them is getting it right.'" Elspea756 (talk) 02:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Conservatism-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 03:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The term conservative is extremely subject to an individual WP:POV. Ajf773 (talk) 09:34, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and suggest we are in WP:SNOW territory here. Per all of the above, and also just to note that this is rather US centric (yes there are British ones, but there is a whole section just about Hollywood, for instance). The definition of conservative is fluid, as has been noted, and especially so when you start looking at the global context. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I agree this list/topic is subject to an individual WP:POV. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:37, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for all the very solid reasons listed above. I'd also like to draw editors' attention to the very similar List of American conservatives and List of American liberals (and this article obviously substantially overlaps in content with the former), which, while (at least superficially) better-cited (though there are many uncited entries on both), have similar problems of scope and likely synthesis (who decides who's a "liberal" or a "conservative"? by the standards of what era? is it worth listing politicians whose views are within the mainstream of their party, or private individuals who haven't made contributions to political theory or discourse? etc). Yspaddadenpenkawr (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, subjective and can vary widely in different countries and time periods. Suonii180 (talk) 09:43, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Agree with the nom this is not tenable. Lumps together subjective perceptions of artists' political persuasions as "conservative" – WP:SYNTH. (And Frank Zappa definitely does not belong on this list.) Netherzone (talk) 04:47, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per everyone; even if fully-sourced, it would be a hodge-podge of dubious value to readers. For whatever it's worth, many of our lists are poorly-maintained and filled with WP:OR like this one; it's something to keep an eye out for. DFlhb (talk) 21:44, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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