Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish comic book characters (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Like the last AFD, I see a consensus to Keep this article. I encourage editors to review WP:FANCRUFT which is an essay, not a policy guideline. It looks like there have been improvements made to the article since it's recent nomination and I hope they can continue to address the nominator's valid concerns. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:42, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Jewish comic book characters[edit]

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This list seems to be an unreferenced fan-cruft list. None of the entries have citations, and I don't think this subject is notable. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Comics and animation, Judaism, and Lists. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Public Heroes, Secret Jews: Jewish Identity and Comic Books, Rethinking the Jewish-Comics Connection, Jewish Comics; Or, Visualizing Current Jewish Narrative, Comic Books, Tragic Stories: Will Eisner’s American Jewish History. Jclemens (talk) 20:54, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not even a year since the last nomination. As I said then: Enough links to articles about the characters to justify a list. Category:Jewish superheroes and Category:Fictional Jews in comics exist and show notable entries for this list. Dream Focus 02:09, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: WP:NLIST says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources." The subject of Jewish comic book characters has been amply discussed, see Jclemens' links for a start. Also, it is bad practice to re-nominate an article for deletion after nine months, and not account for the previous consensus in your nomination. Toughpigs (talk) 02:36, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The sources cited suggest the topic of Jewish comic book characters or Jewish themes in comics may be notable, but this is not what we have here. What we have is a mostly unreferenced list. No such list has been shown to exist (sources cited are about a wider concept). And such a list desperately needs references, since who is Jewish and who is not can be controversial (antisemitism, anyone?). We need to excercise extra care here, and what we have fails WP:NLIST/WP:LISTN, WP:OR and WP:V. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just easily found and added a bunch of references. Searching for a name and "Jew" is not hard to do. I don't see how it could possibly be controversial to say someone is Jewish, especially not a fictional character. Dream Focus 03:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really think you would benefit from reviewing the literature, including that I cited above. Also, your argument doesn't logically follow: the nom cited notability. I addressed notability. You argue that a list of Jewish comic characters is not notable when I've just demonstrated that Jewish comic characters, as a topic, are notable. That's textbook LISTN: One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. Even given your habit of suggesting that surmountable problems make an article deletion-worthy, that's not even what you're arguing here. I'm puzzled; your arguments, even when I disagree with them, are usually much stronger than this. Jclemens (talk) 05:22, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the sources from Jclemens, theme is commonly discussed in media.

FortunateSons (talk) 12:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The page contains ample references and garners public interest. Progoees (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:31, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:LISTN and the sources provided by JClemens as it shows the characters being discussed in the media/reliable sources. Also, deletion is not cleanup. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 02:54, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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