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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. I don't see a consensus here and there is disagreement over whether or not the article meets WP:LISTN. This might warrant a return trip to AFD at some point in the future. Liz Read! Talk! 03:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Formula One sprint winners[edit]

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Fails WP:LISTN. Also WP:NOTSTATS. A seperate article for this is undue. Tvx1 08:15, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strongly Keep. The more time passes, the more significant this article will be, because more sprints will be held and we have an article list of Grand Prix winners as well. They will be retained for at least the 2024. 212.164.64.246 (talk) 20:25, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That’s just your crystall ball assumption of the future. This concept is still very much in an experimental phase and there is no guarantee it will be retained after 2024. Nothing what you say adresses the fact that it fails WP:LISTN. Tvx1 16:20, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The number of sprint races have been held has no bearing on its notability. And if it did the correct approach would be to delete this list and re-create it when enough sprints have been held for notability to be met. SSSB (talk) 09:47, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • We could potentially merge this into a new section of List of Formula One Grand Prix winners, but otherwise, I would !vote to delete per the nomination. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  23:22, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, no. Because Formula One Sprint winners are not Formula One Grand Prix winners. Merging these winners together would create confusion.
    That being said, my point should be iterated more strongly; Sprint races are a part of a Grand Prix weekend. But not part of a Grand Prix itself. 2A02:A448:B759:1:F5CD:863B:5E09:367B (talk) 13:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: A quick google search shows that WP:NLIST is clearly not satisified. SSSB (talk) 09:52, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:13, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: Fails NLIST completely, but meets WP:CLN as a navigation list; as the IP mentions, as time passes this will become more useful..  // Timothy :: talk  00:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:CLN is an editing guideline. It has no bearing whatsoever on whether a list can exist or not. The second part of your argument is false crystallball assumption of the future. The concept is under heavy scrutiny and there is no guarantee it will persist. Tvx1 09:16, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes it is an editing guideline. See WP:AOAL.  // Timothy :: talk  09:27, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    FWIW, If it's a valid navigational list, it meets NLIST (just not the general criterion of NLIST): Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. —siroχo —siroχo 03:41, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It isn’t though. This is not nor has ever been the purpose of these lists at WP:F1. Tvx1 08:45, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: For now, I would be in favour of keeping this page. The sprint format is still new and has been tweaked since its introduction, to have more of a presence in F1. I believe that this format is here to stay, as Liberty Media seems to be very much in favour of incorporating it into the sport long term, as shown by recent discussions to further improve the format for 2024. However, if the sprint format does get removed, then I would be in favour of deletion of this page. McLarenMercedes22 (talk) 20:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, that’s just not how Wikipedia works.Tvx1 08:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep The list has a relevant navigational function as embraced by WP:LISTN. Do we have another way of identifying these winners? If not, it is a particularly important list. If the Formula One article (which is excessively long) became split to create a new one on the sprints, we could consider having this list as part of that. Thincat (talk) 09:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    We do not need a way of indentifing these winners because the sources do not show what they should be identified in this way. Or in other words, the sources do not show that winning a sprint warrants any identification of the kind that would support keeping this list as a navigational aid. No source (that I have seen) identifies sprint winners, so we shouldn't either. SSSB (talk) 19:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • realisticly this should be expanded to a list of f1 sprint races not just winners—blindlynx 20:13, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    No. We don’t even have such a list for all grands prix.Tvx1 18:02, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. I see editors with strong arguments on both sides of this issue.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • How about moving the standings of this article to the 'sprint' section of the F1 racing article? I mean move part of this article to this section. By the way, a good (possibly good) source -- https://racingnews365.com/sprint-racing-f1 -- 212.164.64.246 (talk) 15:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not an appropriate place to put it. I would be against putting this list anywhere, but if we had to merge it, the only place I can think of where it would fit and make sense is in a sub-section of List of Formula One Grand Prix winners - but like I said, I am opposed to keeping this anywhere (in it's own article, or tacked onto another). SSSB (talk) 20:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: WP:CRUFT. Information on total Sprint wins may be relevant, but not in its own article. Svartner (talk) 16:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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