Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiss World Tour 2008
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. The discussion below notes that notability concerns have been addressed and that the currently-available primary sources have confirmed that the event will take place, thereby satisfying WP:CRYSTAL. Non-admin close. --jonny-mt 15:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Additional note from closing editor - the AfD tag for this discussion was removed from the article a little less than 24 hours after the start of discussion and not replaced. While the discussion that did take place was, in my opinion, sufficient enough to determine consensus, this factor should be taken into consideration should this closure come under review. --jonny-mt 16:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Future tour article violates WP:NOT#CRYSTAL. Sources on page are not independent. Paddy Simcox (talk) 03:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - I have added references to (help) satisfy WP:RS and the official announcement satisfies WP:CRYSTAL (Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place, I wouls say yes and yes). As it seems to have been officially announced, and it is KISS I think we can pretty much assume that it will be covered by multiple more reliable sources in no time at all. Fosnez (talk) 11:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Tour for a notable band is notable, sources demonstrate that tour will occur, addressing any supposed WP:CRYSTAL issues. Alansohn (talk) 19:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you have any more sources? Fosnez added one for Prague, but is just a quick listing of their show there. Fosnez also added one for Belgrade, which says the band will be visiting, and that the band is well-known. But this is an article about a tour of the band. I would expect sources like this [1] (for a tour by Madonna). Articles on the children of notable people have been deleted, articles on products of notable companies have been deleted, and I don't see how this is any different. Also, tours are notorious for ending prematurely, due to health, break-ups and other reasons. Paddy Simcox (talk) 07:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- CommentYour nomination for deletion was because of WP:CRYSTAL, I presume because of item 1 - Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place - I believe that my souces satisfy those issues. Without trying to sound offensive, are you now changing your nomination to say that a concert by KISS is not notable? Fosnez (talk) 11:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, the second sentence of my nomination covered that. I'm quite surprised, really, at how infrequently tours get media attention, even for well-known bands. These tours are corporate products, and I think that old-school music journalists don't find them interesting. Paddy Simcox (talk) 16:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, there's nothing old-school about wikipedia ( WP:NOTPAPER :-) etc. Would you agree that it passes notability guidelies? Fosnez (talk) 02:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not with the sources it currently has. Paddy Simcox (talk) 02:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Have you looked for sources to sadisfy your own requirements? Fosnez (talk) 13:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. Searching Google by '"KISS Alive/35" tour' there were only 467 hits. As far as I could see, all were ticket sales outlets, blogs, and so forth. Paddy Simcox (talk) 15:04, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Have you looked for sources to sadisfy your own requirements? Fosnez (talk) 13:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not with the sources it currently has. Paddy Simcox (talk) 02:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, there's nothing old-school about wikipedia ( WP:NOTPAPER :-) etc. Would you agree that it passes notability guidelies? Fosnez (talk) 02:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, the second sentence of my nomination covered that. I'm quite surprised, really, at how infrequently tours get media attention, even for well-known bands. These tours are corporate products, and I think that old-school music journalists don't find them interesting. Paddy Simcox (talk) 16:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- CommentYour nomination for deletion was because of WP:CRYSTAL, I presume because of item 1 - Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place - I believe that my souces satisfy those issues. Without trying to sound offensive, are you now changing your nomination to say that a concert by KISS is not notable? Fosnez (talk) 11:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you have any more sources? Fosnez added one for Prague, but is just a quick listing of their show there. Fosnez also added one for Belgrade, which says the band will be visiting, and that the band is well-known. But this is an article about a tour of the band. I would expect sources like this [1] (for a tour by Madonna). Articles on the children of notable people have been deleted, articles on products of notable companies have been deleted, and I don't see how this is any different. Also, tours are notorious for ending prematurely, due to health, break-ups and other reasons. Paddy Simcox (talk) 07:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.