Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Killing of Yahya Sinwar

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The result was ‎ speedy/snow keep, withdrawn by nominator. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Killing of Yahya Sinwar

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A POV fork that violates WP:BLP by describing as "fact" a presumed death of a living person. If Sinwar was really killed, then a sentence or two would be more enough in his BLP. M.Bitton (talk) 16:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Given the responses so far, I am withdrawing this AFD. M.Bitton (talk) 17:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. M.Bitton (talk) 16:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bro. Israel Foreign Minister release minutes ago just confirmed the death: [1] - “The master murderer Yahya Sinwar, who is responsible for the massacre and atrocities of October 7, was killed today by IDF soldiers.” Very much a failed WP:RUSH deletion attempt… The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1) That's a claim by an entity that has zero credibility. 2) it doesn't address the issues that I raised. M.Bitton (talk) 16:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As much as the IDF shouldn't be taken as an RS, almost all (if not all) of their claims of assasinating leaders were always correct Abo Yemen ✉ 16:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~So there is an agenda behind the suggestion of of deletion not from objective reasons. 2A02:14F:1F5:48DA:31B7:D9D7:C59A:2323 (talk) 16:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)~~[reply]

I'm curious on what the criterion would be: while the Israeli Government is obviously not an RS, if they were to announce that a DNA match was made -- would this AfD be retracted or would that need to wait a Hamas communiqué? NAADAAN (talk) 16:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This article seems rushed. Sensitive issues like these require careful consideration and patience. simply WP:TOOSOON, Thank you. Jannatulbaqi (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning keep: I agree that the article was made prematurely but Yedioth Ahronoth claimed there was a dental match with the forensic report published on Channel 12. While there's still room for doubt, by law of averages you'd expect he'd be dead especially considering the pictures of Sinwar shown on Channel 12. Perhaps rename to "Alleged killing of Yahya Sinwar" until Hamas releases something announcing his "martyrdom". NAADAAN (talk) 16:47, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep has already been tentatively confirmed and will be further confirmed in the next few hours. By the end of this discussion, his death will be a fully confirmed fact. Dan the Animator 16:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if confirmed, would that justify a dedicated article? M.Bitton (talk) 16:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you not hear yourself right now? How many articles are covering the “unconfirmed” and/or “confirmed” death? Checks Google, easily…100+? The answer is yes. I really suggest withdrawing this AFD before it turns into more of a, forgive my French, a shit-show, than it already is. You are a good editor, but this is not the hill to stand and/or “die” on, if you know what I mean. I was once on this type of hill when the war first broke out (starting one of the longest-running RFC’s in Wikipedia history)…I conceded afterwards. As a long-time editor to another long-time editor, don’t die on this hill when it involves anything “Rushed”. Wait a few days and then look at it again. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a few days and then look at it again that's what they say about notability, though that involves years, not days. M.Bitton (talk) 17:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to trout WeatherWriter but I have changed my mind Abo Yemen ✉ 17:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The strike that killed Nasrallah and the killing of Haniyeh has an article so... yes -- even more so considering the year-long manhunt that Israel led against Sinwar. NAADAAN (talk) 17:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Jerusalem Post has a report [2] that the Israeli foreign minister has confirmed Sinwar's death. Thus I believe it is premature to delete this article at this time, and clearly it is a notable event of great significance if he is indeed dead, which appears to be the case. Coretheapple (talk) 17:02, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IDF and Shin Bet has now confirmed the death of Sinwar. NAADAAN (talk) 17:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-it-is-investigating-if-it-killed-hamas-chief-sinwar-98b5e34b Coretheapple (talk) 17:08, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep TOOSOON to delete. He is confirmed dead through DNA analysis. This AfD is premature, getting ahead of events. There might be a case for merge, but give the article time to develop, -- GreenC 17:06, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Yahya Sinwar. It's not clear why all this information can't be covered at the main article. The main article is ~3200 words meaning it is not WP:TOOBIG.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 17:09, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep TOOSOON to delete. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 17:10, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The IDF just eliminated the de facto leader of Gaza. Absolute keep. Edelsmann (talk) 17:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning keep as well. While this is certainly a recent event, a quick Google search shows me enough reliable sources. But if WP:TOO SOON trumps Google, then so it be. Babysharkboss2!! ^{(I spread pro-Weezer propaganda)} 17:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Seems like he's confirmed to be dead now (here and other links above). Procyon117 (talk) 17:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A highly notable event covered by a significant number of RS. GhostOfNoMan 17:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, it's now treated as confirmed as least by a bunch of live blogs (BBC, CNN, WaPo, etc). I would have ideally waited for a couple more authoritative sources, but if we delete now based on that, it's likely that this will be recreated within a matter of minutes or hours. Similarly it could go in Yahya Sinwar for now, but it seems very likely that we'll end up with a dedicated article as more reliable sources cover this in more depth (in the coming hours), so it doesn't seem productive to merge and refork later. — xDanielx ^T/_C\^R 17:16, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Israel confirmed his death. ImYourTurboLover (talk) 17:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now - What we know for sure is that there are many articles reporting this. Our coverage should appropriately note that (and does, through use of attribution). While I would agree the article was premature (tbh, as is this AfD), if it wasn't created by the current creator somebody else would have anyways, as is the way of Wikipedia. It would be nice for us to slow down, but that's okay - if all the other articles reporting this death are also wrong, then we can be wrong too, at which point we can delete the article. As long as we are careful not to declare Sinwar as dead without suitable attribution, it seems reasonable of us to report on the assumptions our WP:RS are also reporting on. ASUKITE 17:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and Palestine. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 17:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as notable enough--Noel baran (talk) 17:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Already confirmed by BBC (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cy94zdd0nxlt) Emigdioofmiami (talk) 17:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Confirmed by BBC, CNBC, The Washington Post, etc. (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cy94zdd0nxlt) Thegreatrebellion (talk) 17:38, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Its creation may have been ahead of the curve, but RS have caught up. ~ HAL333 17:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Possibly created too fast but this is where we are: He's dead. The manner of his death is a major story and an important event in the current conflict. Notability is ridiculously high. Suggest this be closed as snow keep.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:41, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Major event. Plenty of coverage worldwide. Edwardx (talk) 17:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Like others said, it was made too quickly, but it is confirmed he is dead. Given his importance to ongoing world politics, a page for his death is appropriate. SteelersDiclonious (talk) 17:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.