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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 02:20, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

KSI vs. Joe Weller[edit]

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Not a notable sporting event. It was an amateur boxing event between Youtube celebrities. The only non-social-media references are to "Metro" [1], and that seems to be purely a gossip rag. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:19, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

DISPUTE

Disputing the deletion nomination as the page contains other reliable news sources such as The Sun, The Times and The Daily Mail and the fight is notable due to its viewer count and its betting interest.

Check references section, they have been referenced during the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMasterGuru (talk • contribs) 22:41, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Removed section header from above comment.Mattg82 (talk) 20:55, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned, The Times did cover it. Furthermore, with more than 20 millions views (beating domestic views of the Wimbledon final according to The Times) [1] it is a notable event.JohnRoads (talk) 23:30, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

— JohnRoads (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Boxing-related deletion discussions. PRehse (talk) 19:39, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I struck this comment because the history of this page shows the only edit with that timestamp was by TheMasterGuru, which means this is a case of him supporting his own vote. Papaursa (talk) 19:41, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-notable boxing match between non-notable boxers. As suggested by nominator WP:GNG is not met.PRehse (talk) 19:51, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- The Sun and The Daily Mail? Doesn't that say it all? Rhadow (talk) 20:46, 4 February 2018

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  • Dispute -- per User:JohnRoads
  • Keep - While yeah, completely amateur and really just for YouTubers, this event still has generated a lot of interest and coverage, just look at the amount of hit one gets on google or bing when looking up this fight. If not kept than I would suggest a partial merge or redirect. Inter&anthro (talk) 18:01, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The number of ghits is not an indicator of notability (see WP:HITS) and I'm not buying the attempt to insinuate this was a bigger sporting event than the Wimbledon final. As I said below, I can go with a redirect. Papaursa (talk) 19:41, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fight wasn't on TV, so no ratings numbers to compare it to Wimbledon. End of the day; this was your average Golden Gloves-type amateur bout for a pretend title that a Mayweather-type name isn't going to compete for anytime soon, except between two YouTubers. Nate • (chatter) 05:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dispute -- The definiton of notable is "worthy of attention or notice" and seeing as this fight has combined views of over 28,000,000 (check KSI[2] and Joe Weller's[3] channels to confirm this) I think this qualifies as worthy of attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMasterGuru (talk • contribs) 10:58, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Things are simulcast all the time on multiple channels to milk the ratings numbers. Again, that's literally just a counter without sourced metrics. It wasn't televised or Nielsen-sourced, thus the number could be 'after the fact' streams or F5'ed bots milking the numbers upward from the reality. Nate • (chatter) 22:02, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 20:06, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect There is nothing significant about this fight. WP:NEVENT says a notable event is "of lasting significance", has "significant impact over a wide region, domain, or widespread societal group", and receives significant in-depth coverage "beyond a relatively short news cycle" from a "diversity of sources". I don't see that this fight has any of those, much less all of them. I can see no reason for this event to have its own article. I don't have a problem with a redirect to an article on the individuals. It's already covered in detail in KSI's article. I see Weller does not yet have a WP article and this event is not enough to show he deserves one. Papaursa (talk) 02:05, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I've just added some coverage from more sources in the Further Reading section; hopefully these can be incorporated as references for the article. Umimmak (talk) 07:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't see how this is a notable event and I believe the coverage is still problematic. Papaursa (talk) 22:26, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 01:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete All the youtube sources in the world don't make this a notable event. Doesn't pass the GNG or WP:NEVENT. The fact that two youtubers fought doesn't make this notable. And what's with all these dispute votes? Sandals1 (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rival-gamers-have-a-real-ding-dong-lsw2kk5zs
  2. ^ https://www.youtube.com/user/KSIOlajidebt
  3. ^ https://www.youtube.com/user/nuevafilms
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