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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Zarate (weaver)[edit]

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This person has failed WP:BLPNOTE guidelines since 2010. --ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 15:15, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep He is a notable weaver who has recived international recognition. The fact he lives in Guatemal but was noted by a writer in Salt Lake City indicates this.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:44, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Then you need to address those fact on his page. the Page has been tagged as not meeting WP:BLPNOTE guidelines since 2010. How can he be WP:BLPNOTE if his entire accompaniments are listed in one line.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 15:47, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Guatemala-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:48, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Nom has apparently made a series of dubious AfD nominations without proper WP:BEFORE checks. -- 202.124.74.7 (talk) 05:53, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. If 202.124.74 had bothered to look, the pages were changed by Johnpacklambert in order to justfy them being kept. Additionally I believe 202.124.74.7 is a Sock of Johnpacklambert.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 12:19, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The sockpuppetry accusation is ridiculous, but is being dealt with at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Johnpacklambert. I note that the nom has just withdrawn two AfD nominations on obvious "keep" articles, so his/her batting average isn't great. In this particular case, see the !vote below. -- 202.124.74.24 (talk) 12:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I withdrew those AFD only after you made over a dozen improvements to the pages. The AFD was made when the pages didn't include any of the information that you use to justify the keeping of the pages. Once the info was added that allowed me to withdraw my AFD. The fact that I am willing to withdraw a AFD if you fix the page shows that I don't want pages deleted if they can be save.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 13:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please note the search requirements in WP:BEFORE. -- 202.124.74.24 (talk) 13:22, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • NeutralWeak keep. The subject is discussed in at least the BYU monograph Mormon Americana: A Guide to Sources and Collections in the United States. -- 202.124.74.24 (talk) 12:56, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would even be willing to withdraw this AFD if you improve this one sentence page to show why he is notable other than ONE minor mention in one book.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 13:05, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am not Johnpacklambert, but http://academia.edu/2429899/El_arte_del_mate_decorado_trayectoria_historica_y_continuidad_cultural fits your requirement listed, yes? Not English, but you didn't specify - now more than two published sources. -- 174.22.253.45 (talk) 16:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also you might have more luck looking for Juan Zárate instead of just Juan Zarate. -- 174.22.253.45 (talk) 16:39, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, Spanish sources are fine (indeed probably necessary) for meeting WP:CREATIVE, but that particular source seems to describe a different Juan Zárate (not the weaver in Guatemala). I'm beginning to doubt that WP:CREATIVE can be met here, and have edited my !vote above accordingly. The nom seems to have made a good call on this one. -- 202.124.88.35 (talk) 00:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The article needs to explain why he is notable. Being a weaver isn't enough. He gets all of one sentence in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism article which mentions probably a hundred other artists by name... If there were an article about him there, well, then we'd have something to talk about. As it is, we have two 20-year-old sources that mention him in passing and no way of knowing whether or not he is even alive today. ~Adjwilley (talk) 22:10, 3 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the number of artists mentioned is far fewer than you claim, and the person who wrote that article in the EoM is one of the leading experts in the field of Mormon art (some could argue that he is the top expert at this time), so his inclusion of any particular artist in that short entry is very significant. -- 174.22.253.45 (talk) 16:20, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, then, the only place the subject should appear on Wikipedia would be in a List of Mormon artists article under a section titled #Textiles or #Guatemala. A single mention in a source that's not specifically about him doesn't make him notable enough for an entire Wikipedia article to himself. ~Adjwilley (talk) 04:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I enjoy rescuing potentially good articles from AfD, but sourcing for this one is really paper-thin at the moment, and I can't find anything other than what's in the article. It would be good if the article author could dig out what Mormon Americana: A Guide to Sources and Collections in the United States has to say about the subject, or find some additional references. Photographs of the subject's work will help too. On existing sourcing, deletion would be pretty much inevitable. -- 203.171.196.18 (talk) 02:58, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 03:18, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • What about these sources? I am leaning towards Delete, but I can't see what is said in the encyclopedia or the extent of the coverage in the other book. Candleabracadabra (talk) 00:36, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The encyclopedia has exactly one line. -- 202.124.75.11 (talk) 11:05, 12 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete there appears to be pretty much nothing encyclopedic or verifiable to say about him. Not a notable artist. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 05:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Juan Zarate is a weaver in Guatemala. Yeah, so what? Clear WP:GNG fail. --BDD (talk) 23:40, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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