Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jonathan Wallentine

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The result was delete. Insufficient evidence of notability, and no particularly strong arguments or new light shed during the debate. Please note also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kpboyak which indicates the sockpuppetry present in this AfD discussion. -- Euryalus (talk) 11:00, 21 February 2016 (UTC) Euryalus (talk) 11:00, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Wallentine[edit]

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Fails WP:POLITICIAN (local businessman running for city council; not yet elected), WP:BIO (local businessman with no indications of any particular notability). Claim that he created a "new way for families to save for education" are exaggerated: he created a Coverdell Education Savings Account program -- an establish mechanism. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:30, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He is notable for constructing the largest campaign sign that can be seen from the busiest intersection in Laguna Niguel. City officials have yet to be able to come up with grounds to have the sign removed because it is technically considered private property.

Keep The Coverdell ESA is simply a tax type which is not what the AMCO Education Fund is. It is a way for children to learn how to invest via a mobile app with reoccurring deposits. Kpboyak (talk) 21:53, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Notability is not inherited, and being local businessman doesn't pass WP:GNG. Also fails WP:NPOLITICIAN. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He is NOT a local businessman. He is the CEO of a prominent financial company. Also, he is running against the establishment government using nontraditional tactics such as constructing the largest illuminated campaign sign. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:B12C:4ED4:DAC:8072:C785:F409 (talk)

~~Keep~~I wouldn't necessarily consider him a "local businessman" considering the fact that he is the CEO of a firm that manages tens of millions of dollars. See reference 4 (http://www.adviserinfo.sec.gov/IAPD/IAPDIndvlSummary.aspx?INDVL_PK=6089259). Kpboyak (talk) 19:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment He's the CEO of a company. There's no indication the company is prominent. (The SEC registration report does not indicate the size of the portfolio that Wallenstein's firm manages, but "tens of millions" is actually not that large, and might represent the college savings of only a few hundred clients. As for his political career, since he has not yet been elected, and is notable solely for the fact that he appears to have angered the locals with his signage (not a great way to win the hearts of your electorate, I should think), he doesn't pass WP:POLITICIAN. Even if elected, a city council member from a small community would not pass WP:POLITICIAN unless they had accomplished something extraordinary in their role as council person. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:02, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment Actually, if you do your due diligence, you would find that if you search "Actuarial Management Company Llc" in the referenced link, the firm's actual dollar amount that is managed can be identified in the Form ADV because the firm is required to file this number with the Security and Exchange Commission of the United States. Kpboyak (talk) 19:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He created the modern way for families to save for education by using an app as well as built a program off the existing coverdell education savings account so that all families, regardless of income, could afford to save for their child's future. Jcandelario (talk) 19:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC) — Jcandelario (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Striking sock !vote[reply]
- Comment He didn't create the modern way for families to save for education, he created a way for families to save for education. Is it clever to use an app to help families invest in their Coverdell Education Accounts? Maybe. Has anyone written about this cleverness in any significant fashion? Not that I can see. (I discount the OC Register piece, as it pretty much admits that the piece was written to help the Wallentines promote their new product.) The bottom line is, there is no significant independent coverage of Mr Wallentine. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:35, 16 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 17:37, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I added a book that was recently published to the Career section of the page. After reading over these comments, I did some independent research and came to find out he authored a book called "Cloning Wall Street", which I would deem notable. I would imagine that the book will be widely read, given he is an industry expert based on his background. Zzhou1 (talk) 18:03, 17 February 2016 (UTC) — Zzhou1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Striking sock !vote[reply]
- Comment I imagine that the book will not be widely read, considering that none of the major book indexing databases have a listing for ISBN 9780578178042, which is very clearly listed as the ISBN of this book at Wallentine's website. I question whether the book exists at all, but even if it does, if readers can't find it, they're unlikely to read it. This apparently self-published book does nothing to bolster Wallentine's notability. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:06, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment I stand corrected: Cloning Wall Street is apparently available through Lulu.com (I cannot post the URL because Lulu is blacklisted at Wikipedia). The actual existence does not alter the conclusion of my comment: this self-published book does nothing to bolster Wallentine's notability. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:20, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There simply isn't enough independent reliable sources to show how he meets WP:BIO. RickinBaltimore (talk) 18:05, 17 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete I'm always against vanity articles and more so for self-promotion. Not to mention that almost everyone who has commented positively here is either Wallentine (presumably the article's creator) or one of his sock puppet friends (who all have never edited a single article save this one). Let's see if Wallentine responds to this to prove me right. MiracleMat (talk) 04:54, 20 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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