Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Leijten

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The result was delete. There is a consensus that the provided sources do not establish notability under our guidelines. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:37, 13 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

John Leijten[edit]

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Non-notable American football coach, fails WP:GNG. Head coach for international American football teams, none of which can be considered "top level" of the sport. Can only find routine coverage about his hirings and firings. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:03, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable football coach.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep though the article is out of date. Meets GNG per [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. Decent number of sources in German. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 20:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's difficult to determine whether the German articles meet WP:GNG - the English language one mentions he was coaching a second division team, and probably isn't independent. They all seem transactional, coverage doesn't seem sustained, and none of his accomplishments would come close to WP:NGRIDIRON, so on the balance a strong delete. SportingFlyer T·C 18:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- The Dresden Monarchs are a first division team. Also the German articles aren't merely transactional. There are more sources as well, such as in books [6] [7]. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 14:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam-2727 (talk) 18:04, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The 3 numbered references are all archived, indicating lack of importance. Final 2 un-numbered referwences no longer link as NFL Europa closed in 2007. Teraplane (talk) 01:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't meet WP:NGRIDIRON and I don't see the coverage necessary to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 02:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
SOFT delete Here are my opinions of the sources provided by SportingFlyer:

American Football International - this looks kind of useful?

Football Austria - useful?

Report-d - not very useful, looks like a fan saying they don't like him]

WZ - seems like a blog post, not useful

dnn - trivial/news mention

Overall, I think the first two are the most useful in establishing notability, but they aren't quite there yet. Sources on the page now do not demonstrate notablity. Ikjbagl (talk) 05:59, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Need some more discussion on the last two sources presented by Editorofthewiki.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:55, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Both of the sources highlighted by Ijkbag1 are about Leijten's signing as Dusseldorf head coach with the second one including a list of every job he's ever had. Usually signings are treated as routine sports reporting. I'm also concerned about whether these fall under WP:ONEEVENT. Papaursa (talk) 16:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Not all of the sources are about the one event. There are several sources available in the German press, in addition to what I listed. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 17:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, but Ikjbagl's sources plus the 5 sources you listed above, are all about him either being hired or fired from either Dusseldorf or Dresden. Still seems like routine sports reporting. Coaching in the German American football league's top division is not equivalent to coaching in the NFL. Papaursa (talk) 18:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware it isn't like coaching in the NFL, but I wouldn't classify them as "routine" - they go into detail on his coaching career, rather than simply saying "Leijten was hired bla bla bla." This isn't about his hiring or firing. Neither is this. Or this, though it could be considered "routine." ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 20:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the first website is necessarily a reliable source for the purposes of notability, and to say Bleacher Report has a mixed reputation would be nowhere close to hyperbole. The wz.de article is just a passing mention for a routine youth sports article. SportingFlyer T·C 22:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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