Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Forscutt

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz ^talk 23:04, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Forscutt[edit]

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Delete. WP:BLP of a person notable primarily as the mayor of a town nowhere near large enough (pop. 9K) to hand its mayors an automatic notability freebie per WP:NPOL. The referencing here is almost entirely to primary sources, such as Q&A interviews in which he's talking about himself and a brief family reminiscence by a personal relative of his, and the only thing that actually counts as reliable source coverage in media is covering him in the context of owning a herd of cattle, not in the context of being mayor of anything. This is not the kind of sourcing it takes to get a smalltown mayor over WP:GNG. Bearcat (talk) 01:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This is a new page created yesterday at Katherine's first editathon. We have since expanded the page and increased the reference list. There are endless news articles about Forscutt, we will continue to build the page. Forscutt is extremely notable not just in the town of Katherine, but across the Northern Territory. Just give us some time to continue to build the page.--Tenniscourtisland (talk) 02:23, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - appears to be notable sourcing on Trove includes 27 journals, 91 archived websites(583 pages), more than a mere mayor as president of the Northern Territory Local Government Association, expriemental cattle breeder, state wide business operator Katherine is one of the three major regional centres of the Northern Territory the other two being Alice Springs, and Tennant Creek. As for online sources the Northern Territory had until recently lower internet access and resources than most african countries. Gnan garra 03:03, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Long-term mayor of the third-largest town in the Northern Territory, which assumes much more significance due to its isolation and importance as a regional centre. Significant political figure for a couple of decades, with the inevitable sources out the ear that go with that. The bloke has 165 Factiva hits even though newspapers from most of his mayoral reign (and all of his involvement in territory-level politics) are too far back to have been digitised, and there's a few book references to go with that. Wikipedia ought to take a dim view of nomination attempts as sloppy as the above: mischaracterising sources that badly is eyebrow-raising to say the least. The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:22, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is not my responsibility to psychically divine whether better sources might exist in databases I have no way to access — I can only evaluate sources I can see, and I in no way "misrepresented" the sources that were present in the article at the time. If enough improved sourcing can be added to get him a credible WP:GNG claim, then that's great — but the fact that coverage of him might exist in databases I don't have access to, when it doesn't exist in any database I do have access to, in no way means I'm doing anything wrong or misrepresenting anything. Bearcat (talk) 16:53, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:40, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 14:40, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - "This is a new page created yesterday at Katherine's first editathon.", no mention of this on the talkpage which may have elicited some leeway, also have had a quick look on the oz and nt wikiproject front and talkpages, have been unable to find any mention of this editathon, also the addition of an under construction tag on the article would have been helpful (i note that the article was over 24hours old before it was nominated).

Coolabahapple (talk) 15:11, 9 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Coolabahapple. Thanks for this we'll use the Under construction tag next time - never seen that before. The editathon is listed here: https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia --Tenniscourtisland (talk) 07:27, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Gnangarra. Given the low population of the Northern Territory, its status as a top-level sub-national jurisdiction, and the sources that refer to this person, I would support an exception to NPOLITICIAN on the basis that he does seem to be notable at the territorial level. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:14, 10 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Yet another NN very small-town mayor. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per Gnangarra and The Drover's Wife. There is still no mention at the article's talk page that it was created in an edit-a-thon, by the way. --do ncr am 00:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.