Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Battle

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The result was keep. I think, especially towards the end of the discussion, a rough consensus formed that the subject meets inclusion guidelines. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 05:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Battle[edit]

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dePRODed without addressing the notability issues. References are scant and Internet searches return only gallery listings and some pictures of fminor eatured works - nothing of biographical note, no awards, no art fellowships, etc. Fails at WP:BLP and WP:ARTIST Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:44, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Probably the first article on a sculptor I've not stood behind, but, at least as is, there is not much IS. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:50, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Depending on the contents of the articles in the "Western Daily Press" and "The Times" it is not inconceivable that notability is achieved.

There are two sources listed that look promising but which I have no access to:

1. ) Tristan Cork (22 September 2010). "Cathedral sculptures offer new perspective on a sacred space", Western Daily Press, p. 31.

2. ) Katherine Swift (27 April 2002). "Where art and nature meet", The Times, p. 12.

I don't know how one can say that notability is not met without first seeing these articles in these newspapers. Bus stop (talk) 19:12, 24 June 2012 (UTC) Bus stop (talk) 19:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep – It was me who added the additional references. Jay Battle received attention for a 2010 exhibition at the Salisbury Cathedral (where he had previously done some stonework, as noted in The Times article), and the Western Daily Press article says that he is among "Britain's finest contemporary sculptors". Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:15, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Jay Battle has shown his work almost every year since 1997.[1] Bus stop (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All artists expose their works - it's part of their job in the same way as all journalists write articles in newspapers. This does not make them automatically notable. In depth coverage is required, along with some important awards or dedicated articles that clearly assert notability according to Wikipedia criteria. Gallery listings, brief reviews, or entries in exhibition catalogues do not do this.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:07, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would disagree. I think a steady track record of showing work in galleries counts for something. Obviously inclusion of an artist's work in only a small number of shows would not count for much. But I count almost 30 shows in galleries in the London area since 1997. I think this indicates a degree of stature for a visual artist. Compare this to what qualifies for notability for some artists found in Category:Graffiti artists. I think that you will find in many instances a sparser track record of significant recognition. Bus stop (talk) 02:46, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He is the same sculptor who made the new statues on Salisbury Cathedral and is already listed on Wikipedia under:'Table of the Statuary of the West Front of Salisbury Cathedral' [2] as 'Jason Battle'. There has not been another contribution to Salisbury's West Front statuary (from a single individual) since James Redfern in the 19c.[3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peppertack (talk • contribs) 19:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 17:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep The pieces in the Times and other newspapers mean, I think, this meets notability criteria.Squareanimal (talk) 12:34, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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