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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Consensus here is slim, especially with the nom being discounted since having been blocked. However this is a BLP without good sourcing, and therefore edge to delete. Star Mississippi 22:35, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jana Amin[edit]

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Failure of WP:BLP and WP:N. Sources are not independent, half are related to her entrepreneur mother, whose biography itself is not notable.

Source evaluation:

  • el Kaliouby, Rana; Coleman, Carol (2000). Girl Decoded. Penguin Random House.
Book from her mother.
  • "Changing the narrative around Muslim Women and supporting girl's education with Jana Amin, Egyptian-American Advocate (#16)"
Podcast involving her.
  • Changing the narrative, one Muslim woman at a time | Jana Amin | TEDxYouth@BeaconStreet
TEDx involving her.
  • "Affectiva Co-Founder Rana el Kaliouby on How She Built a Tech Startup as a Single Mom 5,000 Miles From Home"
Interview of her mother.
  • "Rana el Kaliouby decodes her memoir "Girl Decoded""
Book about her mother.
  • "UNGA 2020: 'I began my activist journey by telling the story of Muslim women I knew'"
Interview with her about her TEDx.
  • Amin, Jana (17 December 2019), Changing the narrative, one Muslim woman at a time, retrieved 2021-03-25
Her TEDx talk.
It is very likely self-published (https://egyptianstreets.com/submit-an-article/). Also, see an excerpt of the article:
Amin is not just an inspiring women’s rights activist of our time, but also a young woman of action whose life is centered on learning, commitment and determination, and passionately works to ensure that visions, policies and even academia are turned into real tangible solutions..
  • "Protecting progress for girls' education — Assembly | Malala Fund"
Blog post by her.
  • Hung, Madeleine A.; Kim, Joyce E. (September 15, 2023). "Harvard Students Launch Fundraisers for Morocco Earthquake Relief".
One namedrop of her. Local college newspaper.

Given this and the overall interconnection between promotional pages, I think a WP:TNT delete is needed. बिनोद थारू (talk) 23:21, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Pretty sure I remember this article having an AfD filed against it before, but I can't seem to find it now. If I didn't dream it, it might be worth checking what arguments were in that. 92.19.111.41 (talk) 00:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    A PROD has been filed before, and the revert reason were the National and Egyptian Streets sources. [1] I included both in my evaluation above. बिनोद थारू (talk) 00:27, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I have looked at the sources, and I substantially agree with the assessment that बिनोद थारू has given. There are citations to pages that don't even mention Jana Amin, pages that barely mention her in passing, and pages that are either certainly or probably not independent of her. There is no evidence at all of satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines. JBW (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep because The National (Abu Dhabi) is a reputable newspaper and being prominently interviewed in it should be enough to establish WP:N, especially when also backed by Egyptian Streets which is a large blog in Egypt, plus being allowed to write for the Malala Fund and speak at TEDx: OK so not every TEDx speaker automatically has WP:N but a TEDx speaker who's also been in some country's major daily newspaper and another country's major blog is more likely to be. I agree that the article should be improved (we could cite the Borgen Project magazine article instead of just the front of the Collateral Repair Project for a start, although we'd first need to check why Wikipedia is blacklisting Borgen Project URLs, I wonder if this is an error). But I don't see the need to WP:TNT this article. (Potential Wikipedia:CONFLICT disclosure: her mother and I were in the same lab as PhD students. I think the points I made are still valid; a second opinion to check this would be nice) Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 22:49, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Add sources to further establish notability: NowThis News - How Nawal El Saadawi Shook Up the Patriarchy in Egypt featured Jana; also the Italian version of Elle (magazine) ran an article on her; also Marie Claire Arabia (which does not currently have a Wikipedia article, but has been cited several times by various Wikipedia articles so appears to be a recognised source) had an Arabic article featuring her. Silas S. Brown (email, talk) 14:05, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 22:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 02:17, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: WP:BLP, Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Sources in article and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. As others have said, the sources are about others and only mention the subject, no direct and indepth coverage, or are promo or listings. Ping me if WP:SIGCOV is found.  // Timothy :: talk  14:33, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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