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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Louisiana State University. Rounding to merge slakr\ talk / 02:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hill Farm Community Garden[edit]

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No evidence of notability, could be merged into article about LSU or community gardens Montanabw(talk) 16:56, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Louisiana-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:18, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. AFD seems to expand contention and not to help develop Wikipedia in this topic area. This article was prodded by editor Pigsonthewing, and I removed the prod with call to discuss at Talk page, where I opened discussion. The deletion nominator and Pigsonthewing and I and others have been commenting at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Community gardens in Omaha, Nebraska, which seems related, and I will provide notice there of this AFD, too. There is not yet good development of community gardens topic in the United States (or in England, either); see Category:Community gardening in the United States and Category:Community gardening in England. One option would be to develop city or regional level topics and break them out of national-level topics. Where there are articles about individual gardens, perhaps sometimes those should be merged to a city or regional level topic. The general development should be discussed elsewhere. About this particular article, I think Montanabw should have discussed at the Talk page, where i had opened discussion, first. This is an unnecessary escalation, expanding conflict, IMHO. But, since the AFD is started, I assume it will carry on.
To Montanabw and to Pigsonthewing, have you performed wp:BEFORE. What about looking into what I said at the Talk page, previously? What about the state of the article, with sources, before?
As I noted at the Talk page previously was that the article "was substantially better than it is now. A non-logged-in editor removed a lot of sourced material in 2013 in this big diff of a few edits, with no explanation in edit summaries or otherwise. The article previously had several sources, and had a history going back to 1927. I removed a PROD proposal that would have deleted it quickly, which would be somewhat justified based on the poor current condition. But based on its previous state and sources, I tend to think it may be a Wikipedia-notable topic. It should be developed not deleted." I also add the WikiProject Louisiana template and may post at the wikiproject."
I vote "Keep" for now, on the basis that this should be developed, and/or could be merged into some new regional article or some new schools-based community gardens article. Development should be under auspices of some group of community garden-interested editors, not sure where that is yet. Multiple attacks on separated articles is not the best way forward for developing Wikipedia in this area. I will now also notify Wikiproject Louisiana and Wikiproject NOLA.
By the way, entirely jokingly, at User talk:RexxS#‎Community gardening in the West Midlands, i jokingly suggested that all two of the community gardens articles in England could be forcibly merged into a new article at the England level, and that a Community gardens in the West Midlands article could be created too. I was joking; I don't think spreading disruption is the way forward. I was not then aware that this new AFD had been started. --doncram 19:12, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"expand contention", "unnecessary escalation, expanding conflict", "multiple attacks", "spreading disruption" - is it possible that we could have an AfD discussion without you smearing other editors' integrity, canvassing or posting walls of text? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:48, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Seems that the development and organization of Wikipedia treatment of community gardening topics, including standard for notability of individual gardens, should be discussed centrally. I just found my way to Wikipedia:WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening (and have posted there about this AFD). How about discussion with an RFC there, instead of battling around on existing articles. --doncram 19:32, 29 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge selectively to Louisiana State University. Source searches are not demonstrating the topic as meeting WP:GNG. A selective merge is in order because the Louisiana State University article presently doesn't mention the garden. NorthAmerica1000 10:54, 31 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr\ talk / 03:56, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Neither Montanabw nor Pigsonthewing responded to my question above whether they had performed wp:BEFORE. Pigsonthewing on numerous AFDs in the last 2 months has not responded to similar questions, and numerous of them ended Keep. Since nomination, editor Oakshade in this edit restored an earlier version of the article with various sources. I reiterate my Keep vote above as the nomination is not supported. --doncram 04:08, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • You've been warned before about making ad hominem comments in deletion discussions. And many of the TfDs, and PRODs, which you've challenged recently have resulted in deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:42, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Each of the six references currently in the article (including those from The Daily Reveille) are associated with LSU, and thus fail the "independent" requirement of WP:GNG. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:53, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge selectively to Louisiana State University, per NorthAmerica, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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