Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hasjim Djalal

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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 18:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hasjim Djalal

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Does not pass WP:DIPLOMAT Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:50, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. In the same way that people holding certain elected offices are automatically notable, I seem to remember a stated or tacit consensus that top-level ambassadors are automatically notable. This is bolstered by coverage in reliable sources which might not be enough to support an article on its own but which supports the notability of a person who gains notability from his position. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:15, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Has he had a major role in an event of international importance, per WP:DIPLOMAT? Not every diplomat / ambassador is inherently notable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:48, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think every diplomat is inherently notable either; I just seem to remember that past discussions on ambassadors demonstrated a consensus that the ambassador of one country to another (so, not any member of embassy staff) was notable, and in this particular case the coverage in reliable sources, joined with notability from his position, seems to support an article. (Recall that WP:DIPLOMAT, WP:ACADEMIC, etc. do not exclude WP:BIO). –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:37, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:53, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:53, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ WPDIPLOMAT makes it pretty clear that holding a diplomatic post does not bestow automatic notability. We need coverage of partcipation in significant events. Probably salvageable. Happy to change opinion in better stuff emerges. Tigerboy1966 21:34, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Keep Changing my mind. The text of the article doesn't give grounds for keeping, but the sources have lots of detail on his contributions to Indonesia's international relations and maritime law. So I think we have an editing/improvement issue rather than a notability problem. Tigerboy1966 01:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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