Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Handball at the 2015 African Games – Men's tournament squads

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🎉 _{(HAPPY 2023)} 00:45, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Handball at the 2015 African Games – Men's tournament squads[edit]

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List of sportspeople with no evidence of significant coverage in independent sources, therefore failing WP:LISTN. The sources used to verify the content are permanent dead links so this also fails WP:V currently. I would oppose merging the content, firstly, because it would make the parent article too large (see WP:NOTMERGE) and, secondly, because it is completely unsourced. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:55, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Handball, and Africa. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:55, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Egypt, Kenya, Libya, Nigeria, and Senegal. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:57, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The links are accessible via Web archive [1], [2]. So the list is not unsourced. My commends to the nations:

Angola: 13 out of 16 players have already an article
Congo: No WC participation
DR Congo: At least 3 players played at the 2021 WC (I think that there is some information about them in local press)
Egypt: If I look at the Egyptian i found many overlapping with DOB to the squads of the OG and WC in the similar period. The names are also similar but not exact the same. I have the filling that many names of the Egyptian squad is translated falsely and has therefor a red link. But I'm not familiar with Egyptian names and so am not confident to replace the names. The French page have some Link fr:Handball_aux_Jeux_africains_de_2015
Gabon: if i google "player name handball site:https://lunion-archives.org" I get some press of Gabon. Like a player list of December 2015: https://lunion-archives.org/web.11/dmdocuments/N12014-24-25-12-2015-011.pdf I think with some research articles are possible to create
Ivory Coast: I didn't found a lot
Kenya: There exist some article were some players are mentioned https://www.the-star.co.ke/search/?query=Paul+Ondara+Handball
Libya: I have no chance to find something because I'm not able to read Arabic.
Nigeria: I found some results of all players online. I think with time we would be able to create bios.
Senegal: I found a list of the players of the games qualification in February https://de.calameo.com/read/000275347e7914e29a0a4. More news are hard to find

I didn't do a deep dive in each countries news websites. I have the feeling if you do so. I would be able to create for many handballers bios. It also hard to find sources because I'm not a native speaker in French, English and Arabic and also some of the names varies to found sources especially Arabic names. I think they were poorly translated at this lists. In conclusion I tent to keep.--🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:24, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

With the Brazzaville PDF source, is it both independent and reliable? The Gabon news source is very good and I hadn't found it myself. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:41, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:51, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The tournament may be notable but I don't see the squad listings as meeting WP:NLIST.LibStar (talk) 01:35, 15 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:41, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: As previously stated, the links are accessible through web archive. Overall, the tournament is obviously notable as are the teams themselves so there is no reason there should not be a squad page. Watercheetah99 (talk) 00:55, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is that the Brazzaville source, accessible through Web Archive, is not independent of the tournament itself, so fails to demonstrate notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:47, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:03, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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