Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haas F1 Junior Team
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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:27, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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The entity in question (Haas F1 Junior Team) does not exist and never has. Only one source actually mentions the word "junior" (in context of junior racing series) and they cover announcements of Haas F1 Team's reserves and development drivers. The subject has been completely invented and I am inclined to invoke CSD A11, but given my past experience with CSD I suppose an AfD will have to do. 5225C (talk • contributions) 23:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. 5225C (talk • contributions) 23:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Motorsport-related deletion discussions. 5225C (talk • contributions) 23:15, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Most of the discussion I can find when searching for "Haas Junior Team" is either whether or not Haas is Ferrari's junior team, and the two new drivers who were Ferrari juniors. I agree this doesn't appear to even exist, let alone be notable. A7V2 (talk) 00:13, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - I was considering nominating this for deletion myself, but looking at the sources is looks like the entity does exist, although the article title may not be accurate. Specifically, this quote from Arjun Maini:
“It’s an honour to be a part of Haas F1 Team’s driver development program,”
, indicating that they have/had a driver development programme, even if it isn't called the "Haas F1 Junior Team" [1]. That being said, I am not willing to support a keep position because this is the only source I could find that hints at any kind of driver development programme from Haas, the rest of the drivers listed in the article are there through original research, and one driver does not make a programme or a team.
SSSB (talk) 11:39, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- If the entity's supposed owner has never acknowledged or advertised its existence it doesn't seem to me like it could be proven by a single quote. Supposing it does exist, which I do not believe it currently does (if ever), notability has not been established and the article's content is based upon (as you have said) original research.
5225C (talk • contributions) 12:58, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- If the entity's supposed owner has never acknowledged or advertised its existence it doesn't seem to me like it could be proven by a single quote. Supposing it does exist, which I do not believe it currently does (if ever), notability has not been established and the article's content is based upon (as you have said) original research.
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- Delete as failing verifiability. A driver development program could be discussed within the main article, but if this isn't a name associated with the program, a redirect won't be used/helpful. StarM 16:35, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think the "program" could be discussed within the main article because none of these drivers have ever been associated with a Haas junior development program, they've been announced as reserve or test drivers for the team (which is what the sources in the article say). It seems to me like the author of the article has assumed that any test or reserve driver must be part of a team's junior program and has tried to put together an article on that without the program itself existing.
5225C (talk • contributions) 22:26, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think the "program" could be discussed within the main article because none of these drivers have ever been associated with a Haas junior development program, they've been announced as reserve or test drivers for the team (which is what the sources in the article say). It seems to me like the author of the article has assumed that any test or reserve driver must be part of a team's junior program and has tried to put together an article on that without the program itself existing.
- Delete unless information can be verified - At the moment this article's contents appear to be at best original research, at worst an outright hoax. While there is some evidence in the sources that suggest some sort of informal programme may exist, that is not enough to verify anything. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 02:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
- Delete as failing WP:SIGCOV, I could find no mention of any such team when searching for it.09:20, 15 February 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SSSB (talk • contribs)
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