Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/France–Portugal football rivalry

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. RL0919 (talk) 21:41, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

France–Portugal football rivalry[edit]

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Welcome to the next episode of "not every two teams that have ever played each other are rivals". The page is based mostly on primary sources of match data sheets. Only one source, from 2006, mentions a rivalry but it is now lost to time after Eurosport was amalgamated into TNT. We need to remember that journalists and media throw the "rivalry" word around, look here at a recent news headline calling Everton and Luton rivals, two teams and cities with zero connection to each other. [1] Wikipedia is WP:NOTSTATS for a comparison between these two teams or what players have played the most times in this random pairing of teams. There are rivalries that exist because the teams every so often meet at tournaments, but the Argentina–England football rivalry is so because of the jingoistic nature of both countries' media, rather than simply playing each other at high stakes a lot. Unknown Temptation (talk) 20:58, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - "not every two teams that have ever played each other are rivals" - These types of comments aren't necessary, helpful or wiki-like. KatoKungLee (talk) 21:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What else am I supposed to say about a page that purports to show a rivalry between two teams, but has no reference beyond saying that they've just played each other a few times? Is it more polite and formal to blindly believe that every possible pairing of teams is a rivalry, like the absurd Luton-Everton source says? On these discussions [2] [3] [4] pages have been deleted because the community has consensus that sources don't support the existence of a rivalry. Should all of those users be chastised because they didn't see any evidence that a rivalry even existed? Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Unknown Temptation - I think you should focus on your critiques of the article and it's sources. KatoKungLee (talk) 05:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I definitely don't think anything in the article shows the tune of a rivalry, but that doesn't mean that articles about it do not exist. Part of the issue for me is that my Portugal France online media is limited. I'll try to find some stuff, but people who can find this stuff on newspapers.com might be able to find something. Conyo14 (talk) 22:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football, France, and Portugal. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lean towards delete Not very expansive! You read the first few opening paragraphs then get to the Background section which has nothing! It's just another head-to-head NOSTATS article after that!! But 28 games between the two countries with not much to write about? Frankly, unless there was decent prose about the topic, I am in agreement to delete this. Govvy (talk) 10:39, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 17:42, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There is no significant number of meetings, nor political factors or recent events within football that specifically instigate a rivalry between France-Portugal. Svartner (talk) 20:52, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead towards delete - It doesn't seem to be particularly notable. However it worth seeing if there are similar articles. Argentina-Brazil football rivalry is well known and notable. I think if the article is better able to showcase the notability of the topic then it may be worth keeping. Homerethegreat (talk) 11:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The authors did an impressive job of collecting references. Alas, the references simply amass various game statistics, without establishing any notable "rivalry", which as others here pointed out, is a term coined by the sports media to drum up interest and excitement for routine tournaments. I can think of no useful merge target. All the information is already included in the various team and match pages. Owen× ☎ 17:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject plainly does not meet WP:NRIVALRY due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Stats and passing mentions don't cut it. Willing to reconsider my vote if better sources can be found. Let'srun (talk) 19:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.