Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eshera assault

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was ‎ delete. There is a concern that the event is not covered in the sources. From reading this discussion, there appears to be an unresolved verifiability issue. That mandates deletion in this instance.

I am not taking action on the other articles listed by Reaper Eternal, since they were not nominated in this discussion. Editors need to be given a chance to weigh in before actions like deletion are taken. Sjakkalle (Check!) 12:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eshera assault[edit]

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This article isn't mentioned in the source Sönmez, M: Abkhazia: 1992-2022: Georgian-Abkhazian Conflict & War Annwfwn (talk) 21:12, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This and Battle of Achadara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) share a problem. They are both by Shnorakalutsyun (talk · contribs) who isn't an extended-confirmed editor, they both fall within Project:Contentious topics/Balkans or Eastern Europe and thus under the Wikipedia:Contentious topics rules, and all three of Annwfwn (talk · contribs), Alaexis (talk · contribs), and I have looked at the Sonmez and Zurcher books and not found anything like what the content here says, in the books cited as supposed sources, on the page numbers that the article creator has stated, where xe has even stated a page number at all. By my reading this is not within the scope of the unilateral standard page restrictions, but I think that the outcome of AFD definitely should be that we rid the encyclopaedia of these entire edit histories, erring on the side of caution when an article on an Eastern European war subject seems to have dishonest sourcing. Uncle G (talk) 22:11, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. It was a small skirmish, not sure if it's notable or not, but the article in its current form with the falsified sources should not be on Wikipedia. Alaexis_¿question? 06:36, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect we have the same problem with the Yassin Zelimkhanov article created by the same user. I've been unable to find anything about him and my request for quotations remains unanswered. Alaexis_¿question? 06:49, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, and Georgia (country). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:46, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Russian article on the War in Abkhazia mentions Eshera only in passing a couple of times. However there is very little in the way of sources about the fighting in the war, so I think keping this article or Integrating it into the article about the war itself would be the right move. F.Alexsandr (talk) 23:51, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I understand your proposal. What exactly do you propose to integrate into the main article? Alaexis_¿question? 06:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I propose to integrate the text from "Assault" part of the article into the main body of the War in Abkhazia (1992–1993) article F.Alexsandr (talk) 12:50, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The English language article does already mention Eshera. I’m not sure what we could add beyond what is already there. Annwfwn (talk) 19:20, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The text in the Assault section is not supported by the provided sources. Alaexis_¿question? 07:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I declined the speedy deletion as it wasn't a blatant and obvious hoax. If it is determined that this article is deleted for misrepresenting or falsifying sources, the other articles by the author should also be deleted:

Battle of Gulripshi
Battle of Kamani
Battle of Shroma
Yassin Zelimkhanov
Battle of Achadara
Battle of Akhalsheni
Battle of Guma

I also note that the author wrote five of these articles in only an hour and thirty minutes combined (see here). I and Alaexis share concerns that some of the content may be machine-written, hence the nonsensical and incorrect citations. Unfortunately, I don't have the book to verify for myself, so I can't vote in this AFD. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:58, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect all of the above to War in Abkhazia (1992–1993): No objection to deletes. There not hoaxes, but a mole hills made into a mountains. Unless non-English sources that can be WP:V exist, I don't believe any of these has SIGCOV from NPOV sources, even if WP:RS are found I don't see anything here that doesn't merit TNT to make room for an encyclopedic article. Ping me if NPOV sources with SIGCOV are added to the articles.

Yassin Zelimkhanov fails GNG and NBIO, there is nothing from WP:IS WP:RS that shows this individual is notable.

I don't think "Gothic Image Publications" meets WP:RS guideline for sources on the War in Abkhazia. // Timothy :: talk 09:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.