Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eric Kalala

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 12:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Eric Kalala[edit]

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No indication of being notable. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 11:39, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Democratic Republic of the Congo-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 11:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - easily passes WP:GNG. In addition to already added references, see [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]. Nominator clearly hasn't done WP:BEFORE search. I guess there is a lot of local language coverage in addition to English/French sources which I added. Störm (talk) 16:00, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They are all the same reference, apart from the third one. They are routine annoucements for position of CEO and are effectively press-release or come from a single press-release, as the information is the same in every one. The third reference is a story of a funeral and seems to be a passing mention and is a deopendent source. Non of them are suitable to prove WP:SIGCOV nor WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 16:02, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some reason my comment was reverted. scope_creep^Talk 16:02, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, see Wikipedia:Systemic bias. It is perfectly possible to assume that there is coverage in offline sources and for country like Congo it is hard to find coverage online. Störm (talk) 16:07, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

Ref 6 is the funeral and is a dependent source.

Ref 7 the same annoucement for CEO.

Ref 8 the same announcement but a bigger article

Ref 9 the same annoucement and a dependent source.

Ref 10 An interview.

Last ref is an interview for a profile entry.

So not a single WP:SECONDARY amongst the lot of them. Three inteviews and several annoucements of work, for a man doing his job. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 16:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. EpicPupper 18:27, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The four references currently in the article, are the same announcement, in French and English. scope_creep^Talk 23:36, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Other articles and revelant citations that discusses Eric Kalala's work have been included. Comment transcribed from top to bottom. Added by User:NolwaziBam 21:42, 25 April 2021‎ (UTC) Sig added scope_creep^Talk 21:36, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 02:05, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Two citations have been added. One is a passing mention and small interview that is not specifically about him. They are very poor references. scope_creep^Talk 21:04, 28 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lean delete. I agree that this is a pretty marginal case, but I note that WP:GNG only states that significant coverage is "presumed" to be adequate for notability. I have read most of the articles cited by Storm which are fairly detailed but do little more than attest his holding a number of roles within a mid-to-large size company in a fairly niche industry. What actual substance does that leave us for a biography that would not simply be a WP:CFORK of Bolloré Africa Logistics? Has he actually done or said anything notable while in these roles? His degrees and family background are not, I think, sufficiently important to justify a stand-alone article. And the Congo, by the way, is not a landlocked country as the article claims... —Brigade Piron (talk) 10:47, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep per GNG, coverage is there, just not a ton of stuff he's really done. I find the CSB argument for explaining lack of further sources ill-informed at best, considering how much of the important Congolese media is online these days and the whole trove of online media outlets that could be checked at Wikipedia:WikiProject Democratic Republic of the Congo#Library. -Indy beetle (talk) 14:43, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more round just to suss out weak keeps and weak deletes. I'm leaning towards delete as a closer but want to give it another chance.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete. Per Scope creep's analysis, most of the sources appear to be nearly duplicates of each other, and in any case, it doesn't really seem to generate general notability beyond WP:ROUTINE coverage. jp×g 03:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. There are sources to support the article and I think it's debatable whether notability is met. More importantly however, I think there are probably additional sources out there to support the article that may not be apparent to folks outside of Democratic Republic of Congo. So, for that reason in particular, I lean in favor of keeping. DocFreeman24 (talk) 05:57, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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