Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emanuel Bettencourt

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 15:11, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Emanuel Bettencourt[edit]

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Non-notable actor (minor roles only) or martial artist Peter Rehse (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 14:14, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:56, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:18, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete would need major roles to be notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:34, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as entirely trivial and unconvincing, and next, same is said as a martial artist, therefore no applicable notability has been established. SwisterTwister talk 19:38, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He isn't an actor at all, he's a stunt coordinator and a fight choreographer. Google turns up a fair amount on him in Turkish, which I can't read, but seems to relate to his work on Secret of the Sultan – apparently a notable film in Turkey. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 00:59, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Walton (talk) 13:10, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is very close. But, found what appears to be ok coverage in Turkish (don't read it), he is in a martial arts Hall of Fame, found a 1984 reference in Black Belt magazine where he was included in a list of elite black belts, and he has appeared or done fight coordination in several notable German/Turkish films or TV shows. While I'm skeptical about whether the appearances or coordination work qualifies under WP:ENT, the whole package seems close enough to error on the side of keep. AbstractIllusions (talk) 03:13, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Martial art hall of fames have never been considered indication of notability and neither is a passing mention in a list defined by an adjective. They attended something and were called elite. Does not come close to meeting WP:MANOTE.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. As I said above, I'm not sure any one feature qualifies under any individual criteria of notability, but in my opinion the whole package (including martial arts, with RS mentions, and profile in notable TV and movies) seems likely notable. I stand by that assessment. AbstractIllusions (talk) 01:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 22:38, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.