Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elisa Jordana (4th nomination)

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) b uidhe 22:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Elisa Jordana[edit]

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I came across this article because an IP boldly attempted to convert this to a redirect. IP's methods were questionable, but I think that they're ultimately right in that this subject does not meet WP:GNG. Her solo career after Cobra Starship does not appear to have attracted any attention in reliable sources; I searched online and on Rock'sBackpages. Given that she is not mentioned on The Howard Stern Show, I would suggest redirecting to Cobra Starship_signed,Rosguill ^talk 00:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I will investigate. I have heard of Cobra Starship and Berkley School of Music one of the world's best music schools. Lightburst (talk) 02:10, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Many of the claims are simply bogus. She did not write that range of articles claimed, they were written by other people who quoted her briefly in the articles. Some have tried to use IMDb to show notability, but that does not give notability. Nor can we source notability to interviews with her. The bank she was part of is notable, but people do not inheret notability from bands. Being one of many guests on a radio program is also not a sign of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:06, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. All I found were minor mentions in poor quality sources. No SIGCOV. Best I could find is this, which she wrote herself. No other indication she's notable, therefore GNG takes precedent. PK650 (talk) 21:17, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I believe the fact that she was in a platinum selling band like Cobra Starship (MTV Article on her), did some solo music (Apple Music Profile), was a part of a huge storyline on the The Howard Stern Show for close to 5 years (Featured on The Howard Stern Show's official website), wrote for some big online publications like XOJane (proof) and Marie Claire (proof), starred in a Fuse TV reality TV show (Redemption Song, source) and had an appearance in a film like Sharknado 4 (proof) all warrants a legitimate Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeafK1 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1. The MTV article is basically just a wrapper for quotes from an interview with the subject and doesn't include much of any independent analysis
2. Her independent music career is only relevant if independent, reliable sources have published secondary coverage of it. An Apple Music listing is not secondary coverage.
3. Howard Stern's website is not independent of the Howard Stern show. Can you find independent coverage of this storyline?
4. Her writing is not relevant unless secondary sources have written about it. Simply providing links to her work gets us nowhere.
5. It seems more accurate to say that she was a contestant on Redemption Song (TV series)
6. IMDb is not a reliable source. Moreover, it seems that her role was trivial enough that it's not even mentioned in our article for Sharknado 4. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:44, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Wikipedia:Interviews#Notability does not ban MTV interview from counting for notability. Requires looking at elements. MTV is a big name in music news, so. Hyperbolick (talk) 16:10, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I agree with Rosguill's source analysis. That which was presented above simply does not constitute SIGCOV. PK650 (talk) 22:06, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I'm inclined to agree that her experience with Cobra Starship as well as Howard Stern and some acting has her passing GNG. She has an AllMusic page. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 20:59, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:24, 13 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can have an AllMusic page. As for the previous statement, you might be muddling guidelines? If she satisfied the GNG, then she should have SIGCOV in reliable sources, which I think we all agree she doesn't except perhaps for the MTV interview that's brandished above. As for Cobra Starship and Howard Stern, what criterion of which guideline is she fulfilling as you seem to be implying? Because there is no reliable quality coverage about her in those contexts that would improve her general notability standing. If she fulfilled any other guideline, please point it out. Best, PK650 (talk) 23:14, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. She's been the focal point of articles on Radar Online [1], Blasting News [2], and OK Magazine [3]. That fits notability, yes? - LeafK1 (talk) 01:41, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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