Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dj Ernesty

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The result was Delete. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 18:25, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dj Ernesty

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. The references cited in the article are not independent of the subject. As a matter of fact, most of the references are promotional links to the subject's music. None of the subject's music has been discussed in reliable sources. The article is pretty much a promotional piece. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 00:10, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not seeing anything that establishes notability. Sources are mostly interviews which don't help denote notability. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. GSS ^💬 03:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as has substantial coverage in reliable sources such as The Guardian Nigeria and The Independent, they are mainly interviews but being interviewed in national newspapers is indicative of notability and suggests more independent sources should be available offline if not online.Also he has released two albums so he is not a newbie, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 00:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Atlantic306: The Guardian Nigeria and The Independent sources are not independent of the subject. Primary sources cannot be used to establish notability. Your claim about independent sources being available offline holds no weight. How did you derive at this conclusion? Those two albums the subject released are not notable; they fail WP:NALBUM and were not discussed in reliable sources. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 11:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Versace1608: I looked at the two sources, and I don't see evidence for this claim. The Independent article probably doesn't count for notability (since it's an interview, and so primary), but I don't see why either are related to the subject. Could you explain? From my current perspective, the Guardian Nigeria article might count for notability. Thanks! Jlevi (talk) 17:05, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jlevi: Both sources are not independent of the subject; they cannot count towards establishing the subject's notability because they are not secondary sources. The entire The Guardian article quotes the subject substantially. How is this independent of him? The entire The Independent article centers around a Q and A session btw the newspaper staff and the subject. Although both sources could be used in the article, they cannot be used to establish notability. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 17:43, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Versace1608: On second glance, I agree that the Guardian article lacks sufficient analysis.Jlevi (talk) 17:57, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep meets WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO.(Jacwizy (talk) 17:54, 28 March 2020 (UTC))[reply]

@Jacwizy: Which criterion of WP:GNG and WP:MUSCIBIO does the subject meet? You need to validate your statement. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:18, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, b uidhe 04:34, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:MUSICBIO. No evidence of notability. KartikeyaS (talk) 07:35, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep base on my review of Google web and news searches, I'm able to provide two sources here (in-depth, and reliable and independent source) and here (another in-depth, and reliable and independent source), from Leadership Nigeria and The Nation Nigeria respectively, that meet our common sense definition of reliable, independent sources. Moreover, the articles themselves are both at length and in-depth. Moreover, these are just two sources I found, and I haven't, and am not able to assess offline sources, which I expect there to be. Thus, an easy WP:GNG pass here.(Amosflash (talk) 11:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]

@Amosflash: The two sources you provided are not in-depth. There are very similar. The text from both sources are posted below:

A Nigerian Gospel disk jockey and talent manager popularly known as Dj Ernesty has dropped a new gospel mixtape consisting of 20 powerful songs. DJ Ernesty who hails from Ekpoma, Edo state in Nigeria is an alumni of Federal University of Technology, Minna where he bagged a degree in estate management and valuation. He said the idea was borne out of love and passion for godliness, adding that with the mixtape, Christians can now dance to lyrically sanitized songs at party. DJ Ernesty whose birth name is Ernest Esekhile is an outstanding disk jockey at Ace Gospel Music. He is also a radio DJ who runs a show titled KEEPINITGOSPEL which has marked its presence across the nation. The sensational disk jockey artist who is also a music producer and promoter has produced several songs for different artists across different genres of music.

DJ Ernesty, whose birth name is Ernest Esekhile, is an outstanding disk jockey at Ace Gospel Music. He is also a radio DJ, who runs a show titled KEEPINITGOSPEL, which has marked its presence across the nation. DJ Ernesty, who hails from Ekpoma, Edo state in Nigeria is an alumni of Federal University of Technology, Minna where he bagged a degree in Estate Management and Valuation. He said the idea was borne out of love and passion for godliness, adding that with the mixtape, Christians can now dance to lyrically sanitized songs at party. The sensational disk jockey artist, who is also a music promoter, has produced several songs for different artists across different genres of music.

How exactly are these two text in-depth? From these two sources, all we learn is that the subject is a Gospel musician, record producer and promoter from Enugu State who runs a radio show. None of this is satisfies WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Which criterion of WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO does the subject meet? I am awaiting your response. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:15, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I suspect there is sock/meatpuppetry going on here. GSS ^💬 15:04, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — Subject of article does not satisfy the criteria observed in WP:MUSICBIO & also does not have in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources hence invariably fails WP:GNG. Celestina007 (talk) 07:23, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep — The subject passes WP:MUSICBIO because he has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of him.Creativecreatr (talk) 16:42, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Creativecreatr: Can you tell us which criterion of WP:MUSICBIO he passes? You can't just say this without providing evidence to support your statement. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 17:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Versace1608: the first criterion of WP:MUSICBIO.Creativecreatr (talk) 17:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Creativecreatr: Where are the multiple, non-trivial reliable sources that discuss DJ Ernesty? None of the sources cited in the article (the ones that actually talk about him) are independent of him; they are all interviews. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 17:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Versace1608: this three sources here, here and here are secondary sources and Wikipedia is based on secondary sources.Creativecreatr (talk) 17:48, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Versace1608: Firstly, you asked how are the two texts significant coverage? If you read this WP:CORPDEPTH carefully, you will find where it states that:

Quantity does not determine significance. It is the quality of the content that governs.

If you keep reading you will see where it says that:

Therefore, for example, an article on a product recall or a biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article on the product or the CEO, but not a significant coverage on the company (unless the article or biography devotes significant attention to the company itself).

A biography, or simply bio, is a detailed description of a person's life. If the biography of a CEO is a significant coverage for the Wikipedia article that means those two texts are significant coverage because they both contain a detailed description of Dj Ernesty's life such as his nationality, birthname, birthplace, occupation, and school. And since the two sources are reliable therefore it passes WP:GNG which is the answer to your second question. From the above explanation and other references in his Wikipedia page, I believe you can now see that he passes the number 1 criteria for WP:MUSICBIO. Therefore ~~Keep~~.(Amosflash (talk) 17:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC))[reply]

@Amosflash: You already voted keep once and cannot do it again. You need to strike out one of your keep votes. Nice attempt at trying to use a logical argument to get your point across. However, it falls flat on its face because those two sources are not we considered in-depth significant coverage in the context of notability. DJ Ernesty fails all criterion of WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 18:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Versace1608: What is in-depth significant coverage and why are those two sources plus this one not in-depth significant coverage? You need to validate your statement.Creativecreatr (talk) 18:54, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Creativecreatr: None of the sources you cited in this AFD thread can be considered in-depth. This and this are nearly identical press releases about the subject's mixtape. None of DJ Ernesty's music has been discussed in reliable sources, including the mixtape. Q & A interviews published by Nigerian newspapers or press releases about his music do not count towards notability. The NotJustOk source you cited here is an announcement about the subject becoming an ambassador for The 700 Club. People are not notable simply because they are affiliated with a notable brand; FYI, notability cannot be inherited. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 20:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. The sources cited are poor. Interview, and few paragraphs in newspapers that are not known for international reliability, and that coverage reads like rewrites of press releases. On the other hand, there is WP:SYSTEMICBIAS. Should we accept low quality sources since for that part of the world they may actually be good quality? Overall, I think the answer is not, our criteria have to hold things to the same standard, whether it's UK or Nigheria. I don't see how the subject meets NMUSIC, and as for NBIO, I think the coverage is on the wrong end of borderline. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - We have coverage by different news outlets, yes, but nothing appears to give the sort of in depth information that we need. As well, it seems as if none of them really are the kind of reliable sources that we need either. I'm not too sure. Yet I lean over to saying that deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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