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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There isn't really a scenario where I see this being deleted Star Mississippi 01:16, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dene Park[edit]

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Sources do not show anything significant or remarkable that would satisfy WP:NBUILD or WP:GNG, not even the Wikipedia references which violate WP:CIRCULAR. Additionally, I found no significant coverage in a search for additional sources – single-sentence mentions at best. Complex/Rational 16:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Dene Park is one of a number of manision houses in the area including Oxenhoath and Fairlawnes. It is cited or referred to in a number of other articles as “a house near Tonbridge” including the Thomas Delarue school and the 44th Infatry brigade as their battle school. This article give clarity to these articles as well as linking the site of the battle school to Thomas Delarue school which would otherwise be ambiguous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photowizzard (talk • contribs) 16:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or Redirect to John Hollams per WP:ATD. Not finding any significant coverage on the structure, but some of the content could be reasonably included in the article on John Hollams provided we can find sources other than wikipedia itself to verify the content.4meter4 (talk) 18:22, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There's a short paragraph in the West Kent and the Weald "Pevsner", but the house is not listed. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep it does have an entry in the Woodland Trust for the woodland and I'd expect the building/estate would have more coverage in offline sources, see this] source for example though it may not be reliable. The Lodge] is also a grade II listed building. Crouch, Swale (talk) 08:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The artice needs improvement (not a reason for deletion). A search of "The Times" for the term "Dene Park" omitting the term "Jesmond" (there is a Jesmond Dene Park in Newcastle upon Tyne) turns up 101 instances between 1878 and 1999. I've not had a look at what UK local newspapers will show up yet. As a substantial building comparable in size to Fairlawne House, Oxenhoath, Hamptons House, Douce's Manor and Yotes Court, it should be capable of sustaining an article. Possibly this should be moved either to Draftspace or I would be willing to host it at User:Mjroots/Dene Park whilst it is improved. Mjroots (talk) 08:24, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep - I've done a bit of expansion and referencing, and added an infobox. Others have also added to the article. A request has been made to the article's creator for more references. As needing improvement is not a reason to delete, we should keep the article. Mjroots (talk) 05:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - as Hassocks said, it's not listed. Nor does it get a mention in Girouard's Victorian Country House. But, again per Hassocks, the revised West Kent Pevsner does give a little - the architect's name is Miller, not Millar - on pp281-2, where it is described as a "substantial Victorian mansion in a Waterhousian Tudor Gothic." I would have thought the Milner garden would throw something up, but can't see anything. A later Hollams, of Dene Park, was High Sheriff of Kent in 1917. KJP1 (talk) 11:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd also note that Dene Park is an OS settlement[1]. Crouch, Swale (talk) 05:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as per KJP1. Suitably expanded since listing. No Swan So Fine (talk) 08:42, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The sourcing is improved, and there's a movement towards keeping the article, but as yet no one has made the case that a notability guideline is actually met.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 16:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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