Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dalian International Marathon

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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 23:12, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dalian International Marathon

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fails WP:GNG. very gnews hits but mostly from one source. Despite being international very few winners are notable, in fact most winners are from host country so not sure if this is a world class marathon . I will reconsider if someone can find in-depth coverage in Chinese LibStar (talk) 18:11, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:28, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:28, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 18:28, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, seems to be regularly covered by the China Daily and claims (plausibly) to be one of the oldest races in China. After all it's been run for almost 30 years, so difficult to believe it wouldn't have been covered in the Chinese press. Sionk (talk) 19:17, 3 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

it might have been covered but i would think it's routine press. Something claiming to be international should get international coverage. I doubt it as it appears most of the participants are from china. LibStar (talk) 17:30, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:10, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And what exactly would be non-routine coverage? And why doesn't national news coverage meet WP:GNG? You seem to be creating an unnecessary high bar for this event. Sionk (talk) 18:14, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No I'm not. If this is China's largest marathon fair enough. But it isn't. Wikipedia doesn't include every annual marathon. LibStar (talk) 18:37, 10 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"If this is China's largest marathon fair enough." — Are you suggesting there can only be 1 Chinese marathon on en.wiki when we have more than 100 Category:Marathons in the United States? "Something claiming to be international should get international coverage" — are you now saying it's not international when just a week ago you wrote "Despite being international"? Timmyshin (talk) 16:41, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

it has very few international competitors, it appears calling it international is marketing. My comment os that it is called international but i question if it's a true international competition. Comparing to US marathons is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. LibStar (talk) 16:54, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If this a true international marathon then why are so many winners non notable athletes from china who have not won other overseas marathons or competed in Olympics...despite being international . LibStar (talk) 16:57, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"so many winners non notable athletes from china who have not won other overseas marathons or competed in Olympics" — what does this have to do with it being international or not? International means "two or more nations" not "world-class" or "best in the world". And why does it matter if it's international or not, is there a guideline that says a marathon is non-notable if it's not international? Most of Category:Marathons in the United States aren't international. And you still haven't answered the question of "Are you suggesting there can only be 1 Chinese marathon on en.wiki?" Timmyshin (talk) 17:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

there can be as much marathons that meet WP:GNG. if you think there are other marathons not notable please nominate them. I'd also suggest you tone down your aggression. Thanks LibStar (talk) 17:25, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since when is asking on-topic questions considered aggression? User:Sinok has already provided proof that the topic meets WP:GNG. Your arguments for deletion weren't related to WP:GNG at all. As far as I can see, you were arguing the topic ought to be deleted because 1) it's not international because most winners are from China and not notable and 2) it's not China's largest marathon. You haven't clarified on the second argument, hence my question. For the record most international marathons are participated by athletes from the home country. Timmyshin (talk) 17:41, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your tone is quite pushy. Suggest you WP:CHILL. LibStar (talk) 17:53, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

which american marathons will you nominate for deletion? LibStar (talk) 17:54, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize if you feel that way, no offense intended. I don't want any marathon article deleted, but take a look at Big Sur International Marathon, participants appear even less notable. Timmyshin (talk) 18:20, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Apology accepted. Currently the article is poorly sourced. LibStar (talk) 18:22, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Even if it was known only in China, that is still a country of well over 1 billion people, so even if the marathon only had coverage within China it must surely sail over the WP:GNG bar. It just needs a bit of commonsense applying. Sionk (talk) 18:31, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

so anything with a bit of coverage in china gets an article because it has over 1 billion? That's a new criterion for notability LibStar (talk) 18:33, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's what is simply called 'general notability', widely known. One thing I would suggest though, if the article is kept, is that the word "International" is removed from the name. In the sources I've found it is called simply the Dalian Marathon. Sionk (talk) 18:35, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Notability (unless inherent as defined by a specific guideline) is not based on "widely known" and somehow correlating that china gets a free pass. Notability is based on significant coverage in reliable sources. I'd say most chinese have not heard of this marathon whilst most americans have heard of the New York Marathon. LibStar (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Sionk the topic is better known as "Dalian International Marathon", just click on the following links and compare:

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:22, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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