Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chimango Chirwa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 11:34, 11 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Chimango Chirwa[edit]

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Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails general notability guidelines, WP:ANYBIO etc. Ambassadors do not have inherent notability and while his name shows up in many news articles I could find only one that is not simply a trivial mention. There might be some information on him in regional newspapers since he is referred to as an 'outspoken critic of the government'. Right now all coverage falls under WP:BLP1E for his appointment as Ambassador. Jbh ^Talk 16:19, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 17:11, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 17:11, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethiopia-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 17:12, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Malawi's ambassador to the African Union is a very important position in a small, non-western country like Malawi. Given that the article is on a non-western prominent person (see WP:BIAS on our collective bias) and that the article is only a week old, it is too soon to delete.--TM 20:21, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
strong delete created by a single purpose editor so probable autobio. His positions do not confer inherent notability. LibStar (talk) 08:21, 21 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - has held at least two ambassador-level positions, one to the African Union, which is a bigger deal than most Westerners realize. Bearian (talk) 22:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is no inherent notability to those positions nor does he seem to have any press coverage that would indicate he is notable in and of himself. There might be sources that are not easily available and there is no bar to recreating the article if some are found or if he gets some substantial press coverage. Jbh ^Talk 22:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The question I have is how does he demonstrably pass Wikipedia's notability guidelines? The mere assertion of notability is not enough, it must be documented. Cheers. Jbh ^Talk 22:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note on Ambassadors Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arthur Louis Schechter, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ambassadors of Russia to Thailand, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfred Pike Bissonnet, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olav Berstad, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miyoko Akashi, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Mexican ambassadors to Serbia, etc. show that people who are full-time Ambassadors as such are generally notable. In the case at hand, the issue should be whether the posts are considered important within Africa, as being the place where any sources would most likely be found. Thus the role in the African Union seems sufficient here. Thus the Nyasa Times articles are salient, and, in my opinion, tip the scales. Collect (talk) 18:34, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

no, this list of Afds demonstrates no inherent notability of ambassadors. LibStar (talk) 22:44, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As a comment (not necessarily relevant to this AfD), it's worth remembering that most ambassadors are actually mid-level civil servants, with countries generally only posting high ranking or otherwise notable people to their most important embassies. Nick-D (talk) 02:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —☮JAaron95 ^Talk 19:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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