Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ces Ciuhrii

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ces Ciuhrii

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Passing mentions or routine coverage only, no real claim of notability. — Biruitorul ^Talk 17:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Tennis, and Moldova. – dudhhr (1 enby in a trenchcoat)^talk _contribs (he/they) 18:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep easily notable enough to pass the guidelines. Covered in almost all notable publications of Moldova and even in Romanian publications like Profit ([1]). He came under the scruitny in this article of another reputed publication Ziarul de Gardă. Then there is coverage by Newsmaker, a publication which is dependent on donations with an independent editorial, ([2]). Coverage by ProTV Chișinău helps to fill the gaps in information ([3]). He is the type of businessperson (oligarch?) from a small country like Moldova we need information when Wikipedia coverage is already scarce (readers would likely search him (that's why a Wikipedia article exists in local language) and would like to know who owns their media (Radio Noroc and Noroc TV), major pharmaceutical companies in Moldova/Romania, and then his role in growth of tennis in Moldova, etc.). It would have been better if nom have researched him well before nom and improved it - rather destroying somebody's work. DP Reekers (talk) 19:26, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Eh, a routine story about opening a factory, and a puff piece on the tabloid journalism site isanatate.protv.md: underwhelming at best. — Biruitorul ^Talk 19:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Since he’s chimed in, let’s take a closer look at DP Reekers, the article creator. He began editing four days ago, during which time he’s created two articles and edited zero others. His first article, Bobo Rockefeller, has been tagged for non-notability. His second is up for deletion. He’s intimately familiar with article writing and AfD procedures. This may not be suspicious in itself, but it does at least raise questions. — Biruitorul ^Talk 19:41, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Let's make sure we are assuming good faith here... GR86 (📱) 15:11, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets WP:GNG. A lot of coverage uncovered in a thorough WP:BEFORE, given below:
- 106 articles about him in Timpul de dimineață (most of them are quite in-depth)
- 44 articles about him in Profit.ro
- 179 articles about him in ProTV Chișinău
- 9 articles about him in Ziarul de Gardă
- 585 articles about him in jurnal.md
- 317 articles about him in NOI.md
- 25 articles about him in agora.md
- 38 articles about him in newsmaker.md
- Romania Insider article
- and 1600 more results on Google News and then Google books etc and local archives/libraries. 31.205.13.161 (talk) 17:45, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah yes, the two-edit IP intimately familiar with Wikipedia jargon. Much credibility.
- And no, there aren’t 1500 articles “about him”, there are 1500 articles that may or may not mention him. In other words, meaningless. — Biruitorul ^Talk 20:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I think it might be useful to get more opinions about this proposed deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:51, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete A series of simple mentions, there is also the risk that the editors of this article will be paid, they are too familiar with wikipedia's policies. The article looks like a CV.--Tysska (talk) 13:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

UPE blocked.

Delete Going through the sources provided in the article and samplings of some of the other sources provided in the discussion, they are largely what he says (his statements, comments or interviews), which are not independent so cannot be used to establish notability and others are brief mentions. I suggest those voting keep to provide three sources that are WP:SIGCOV (about him, not his businesses), secondary, independent and meet reliable source criteria. See WP:THREE for guidance. Ping me if you do. Happy to reconsider. S0091 (talk) 18:13, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Coverage is quite in-depth in local reliable sources, considering the size of Moldova, this should be enough. An entry in a major book like Bibliografia naţională a Moldovei. Passes WP:BASIC after stichting the sources. 87.123.39.218 (talk) 18:47, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi IP, given Bibliografia naţională a Moldovei is a national bibliography, rather than a biographical dictionary, what published work of his is noted? S0091 (talk) 20:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To the IP whose very first edit happens to be on this AfD: no, a random link to a book we can’t see isn’t evidence of anything.
To @S0091:, if I had to guess, the bibliographic entry refers not to an amateur tennis player but to Serghei Ciuhrii, a composer who’s published several music collections. — Biruitorul ^Talk 20:59, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Biruitorul I don't have an issue with IPs in general but as I stated in my deletion opinion, I need something more concrete to change my opinion, thus my request for WP:THREE. Maybe there are sources to support notability but what has been succinctly provided thus far, I do not see it and lobbing Google search results with no curation is not helpful. Likewise, stating one needs to stitch the sources together with no guidance as to which sources and a declaration they are listed in a national bibliography with no other information, especially given the claim to notability is not as an author, is not helpful, at least to me. S0091 (talk) 21:35, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 12:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nothing extra-ordinary with him, "guy does work" and "gives opinion on xyz thing" from what I can translate. Oaktree b (talk) 15:11, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't make any sense. The guy is an major industralist of Moldova (a relatively small economy/market). Worth a separate page. 31.205.13.226 (talk) 15:46, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, he isn’t major, he’s an amateur tennis player who dabbles in business, nothing especially remarkable about that. - Biruitorul ^Talk 20:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

leaning keep seems a notable case. One comment was from UPE, striked accordingly.
- Ah yes, yet another single-edit IP immediately jumping to edit this discussion. Predictably boring by now. — Biruitorul ^Talk 20:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. 31.205.13.226 (talk) 15:39, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As per source analysis by S0091. MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:07, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per S0091. Showing me that your client has the best local sources money can buy is not going to sway me. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep valid point by S0091 about some of the sources however this subject appears to more cited in non-english sources and shows notability in other regions. This doesn't mean its delete material as per WP:TRANSLATETOHERE. The subject is considerably cited with RSs over at ru:Чухрий, Чеслав and ro:Ceslav Ciuhrii. GR86 (📱) 13:33, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

- I just checked the ro.wiki sources. (The ru.wiki ones are largely the same.) We have, of the links that still function:

- [4] The subject posted on Facebook (seriously, this made the news)
- [5] A softball interview about how he helped some poor children (not really a quotable source)
- [6] He gave $2600 to a tennis player (also not quotable)
- [7] He wished the same player a happy birthday (perhaps you wish to quote that?)

- As I think I’ve conclusively demonstrated — no, the subject is not “considerably cited with RSs” on other projects; it’s the same promotional puffery as here. — Biruitorul ^Talk 19:44, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  @GR86 thanks for providing some specific sources to consider. Using @Biruitorul's number scheming, 4, 5 and 7 are his statements so primary/not WP:INDY and 6 doesn't say anything about him. None of these are useful for establishing notability. S0091 (talk) 20:00, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn because of above GR86 (📱) 21:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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