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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This is a very messy AFD, so I had to evaluate each and every discussion. With the keepers, it's seems just because they created the internet mine, therefore Notability is inherited, but on the contrary it isn't thus I discounted those. "Also seems notable to me" isn't a reason to keep any article. The few remainding discussion is about the sourcing. Looking at the sourcing, the first link is a reliable source, but to the video not the company. The second source is a promotional website, therefore not reliable, also and has nothing to do with the company. The third source is YouTube, not reliable, and the fourth source was a interview with the founders of the video in a local entertament magazine, nothing with the company as well and not really "significant coverage".

Finding Consensus in AFD is by policy based reasoning, and the keep/merges doesn't evaluate the sourcing enough while the delete side does it, and those were rebutted wrong. The company "itsself" never had the reliable sourcing, and none can't be found, therfore the article needs to be deleted. But in the future the article can be recreated with reliable sources dealing with the company. A redirect won't hurt as well. Secret account 13:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Brownmark Films

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Notability not established. Suggest merging article with parent production company Special Entertainment. SERSeanCrane (talk) 16:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 09:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 03:30, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why does this partnership constitute notability? From what you've described, seemingly, anyone can become a partner. SERSeanCrane (talk) 21:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't constitute notability, but it adds to notability. To become a Partner with YouTube you have to have multiple videos with an unusually large number of views, and you must be accepted into the YouTube Partnership Program after review from a rather strict application process. Shatner1 (talk) 22:49, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I was invited to participate here by User:SERSeanCrane to attempt to get a consensus on the article, I'm not sure if that's borderline canvassing or not. Anyway, I can find nothing on google news that talks about the film company, nor can I find much definite information about the company. Where is the location? The article claims Milwaulkee but I can't find any address on the website or on the internet. The article also says that the studios were created by Special Entertainment, but the citation doesn't hint about the creation at all. Perhaps Special Entertainment bought them? Anyhow, the article is very poorly cited and misleading. "Brownmark Films" seems to be less of a company and more of an advertising phrase used in lieu of the producerss names. How many employees work at this company? By my understanding this "company" is little more than the name of a youtube channel and a signature for the producers of the videos. What, What in the Butt is definitly a notable song, but the company that created it is not. The company is squished between the famous song they created and the notability of their parent company, Special Entertainment and there's not enough coverage showing that the company has any notability apart from those two entities. Themfromspace (talk) 19:16, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • An address for Brownmark Films can be found HERE. However, WP:CORP does not mandate a set address or a minimum number of employees or even that the "company" be more than just a name. Brownmark Films meets the criteria because of substantial coverage in reliable sources inpendent of the subject. And actually, Browmark has developed a much greater and sourcable notability than the parent company. Their continued productions, and the coverage of this pushes them past WP:ONEEVENT. Small they may be, but notable they most certainly are. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • With regard to canvassing. I've been told I could get my "pee-wee schwacked" if I don't address the issue. As User talk:BQZip01 pointed out here[[1]] I sent out requests to various users that had previously contributed to recent afd media-related discussions. I was not seeking a vote, simply consensus, which I pointed out in the requests I left with editors. Furthermore, prior to this canvassing allegation, I had a nice exchange with MichaelQSchmidt thanking him for contributing and, as you've seen here, he's probably the best proponent of the article in the debate. And that's that. I'm glad I did what I did because it stirred up this afd to an actual debate. Keep it up! SERSeanCrane (talk) 02:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Nutshell" of WP:Canvas is "To avoid disrupting the consensus building process on Wikipedia, editors should keep the number of notifications small, keep the message text neutral, and not preselect recipients according to their established opinions." You did keep the number of notifications small, you were neutral in your request for input, and received this input from editors that both agreed and diagreed with the deletion nomination. So, you did not violate the behavioral guideline... but BQ is correct in his friendly advice, as perception is everything on Wikipedia. I can appreciate your wishing to get this AfD over once and for all, one way or the other. Indeed, that was what MBisanz had in mind by the relisting... wanting to finally reach a consensus. Similar goals... different means. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:58, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Seems notable to me. Tarheel95 Tar-Talk —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC). [reply]
  • Do not delete (keep or merge) - the company seems notable, the fact that it's an internet company doesn't make it automatically NN as some seem to believe. I don't oppose a merger however, because this and Special Entertainment seem to be highly related, but if someone knowledgeable in the field can expand both articles to clearly convey difference, a merger won't be necessary. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to viral video and keep article history or very weak keep. If after a redirect the editors want to undo the redirect and redirect the viral video to here that's fine too. The video is probably more notable than the company now but that is likely to change in the future. If they have even a modicum of success with their 2009 project, they will be considered notable and I'd vote a straight-up keep. But that's then and this is now. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: seems notable to me. Ryan4314 (talk) 06:12, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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