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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Relisted after the nominator was blocked and a NAC. Discussion prior to the relist was heavily in favor of the article; afterwards less so. I do not see that either side has consensus even after relisting. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 17:52, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Brittney Skye[edit]

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Delete: - Brittney Skye fails WP:Pornbio. She has no major award wins, no mainstream popularity, no unique contributions to porn.Redban (talk) 22:01, 9 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:54, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: She has won an AVN award, so for me she passes WP:PORNBIO. -- fdewaele, 11 December 2014, 19:00 CET
WP:Pornbio says, "Awards in scene-related and ensemble categories are excluded from consideration." Redban (talk) 19:23, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
WP:Pornbio #2 uses the word, "starred," which means she needs to be the principal performer in that "iconic, groundbreaking, blockbuster feature." That word eliminates the Snoop Dogg movie. Skye did star in Grub Girl, but was that flick truly an "iconic, groundbreaking, blockbuster feature"? If we apply the WP:Pornbio standards to "Grub Girl," we must note that it was only nominated at the AVN for "Best Video"; it did not win the award (or any others. In fact, I don't think it was nominated at XBiz or Fame). As for the point about Maxim, WP:Pornbio #3 uses the word "multiple," meaning more than once, so one appearance in Maxim is insufficient. Furthermore, that Maxim list was in their (now defunct) UK version according to http://business.avn.com/articles/video/Maxim-U-K-Names-Top-12-Porn-Stars-400571.html Does Maxim UK have much credibility? Brittney Skye shot all her pornography in America, after all. Redban (talk) 18:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I suggest Davey2010 and Subtropical-man's votes should be disregarded for lack of explanation. Redban (talk) 21:23, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I suggest Redban suffers from bad loser syndrome and his comment should be ignored. For the record they did give a reason. -- fdewaele, 15 December 2014, 11:00 CET
Comment - I suggest Redban should be blocked for the poorly-nominated afds, I'll admit my reason isn't brilliant but I cited 2 policies which she passes so isn't that bad either.... –Davey2010 • (talk) 15:45, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Please note that I have recently edited the article in question here. Skye has starred "in an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature" (Snoop Dogg's Hustlaz: Diary of a Pimp), and she has "been featured multiple times in notable mainstream media."
As an aside, she, in fact, did not shoot all of her films in the USA alone, as she was previously under contract with a company called "Sineplex", which apparently has shot some films in Russia.[1] Guy1890 (talk) 02:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This was originally closed as a clear Keep by myself, however, the NAC closure was contested as "too early". I've reverted myself and this AfD is again open for discussion. Dusti*Let's talk!* 22:09, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There;s a lot of heat generated over other behavior by the nominator, but looking at the relevant SNG makes matters quite clear:
    • Skye fails criterion #1 of PORNBIO. While she has a single AVN Award, it is in a scene-related category, and therefore does not satisfy PORNBIO.
    • Skye fails criterion #3 of PORNBIO. While she has credits in two apparently notable films, her roles were minor and unbilled, which therefore by consensus fails the criterion.
    • Skye fails criterion #2 of PORNBIO. While she appeared in Snoop Dogg's Hustlaz: Diary of a Pimp, she definitely did not "star" in that release. She is, instead one of 40 performers in a party/orgy scene. The same claim was made for another porn performer at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mia Smiles, and was rejected by consensus. As several editors noted in that discussion, the primary element of notability here is "Has made unique contributions to a specific pornographic genre", and simply being in a particular film is mot enough to satisfy that. Moreover, as Morbidthoughts (hardly an anti-porn editor) noted in that discussion, "This criteria is meant to be construed strictly with support from reliable sources (not just the usual puffing press releases) that acknowledge the contributions." There are no reliable sources acknowledging the purported contributions here, or even indicating what they might be. The case for "Grub Girl" is no better. Nothing evidences that this film is actually "an iconic, groundbreaking or blockbuster feature"; it appears to be no more than borderline notable. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Patricia Rhomberg, which is the paradigm for evaluating PORNBIO #2 claims. The discussion was, quite properly, not closed as keep until reliable third-party sourcing was produced which clearly established the film's significance.
    • Skye fails the GNG. There is no significant reliable sourcing regarding the subject herself, beyond the trivial coverage of a casino publicity stunt -- nowhere near enough for a BLP. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 23:19, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - As I have previously stated in this more recent discussion, "I personally do not believe that (the Mia Smiles) AfD settled these types of issues properly & permanently, since not that many people actually participated in that old AfD." In addition, Skye does not appear to me to appear "unbilled" in Snoop Dogg's Hustlaz: Diary of a Pimp, and she apparently appeared in "Scene #7 along with 7 other performers. She has also received at least some mainstream media coverage in at least ESPN.com, The Daily Telegraph, the book Sport and Violence: A Critical Examination of Sport, Maxim UK, Playboy, Penthouse, and the Howard Stern Show. Finally, besides some current issues with dead links in the article in question here, I see no real issues with unreliable sourcing in this article. Guy1890 (talk) 01:19, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • IMDB doesn't list her among the billed performers. The official site from the film's production company doesn't list her as a "star" of the film. [2](very NSFW link). Why do you think we should invent something not to be found in reliable sources? The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 15:51, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"IMDB doesn't list her among the billed performers"...but IAFD & the Adult Film Database, which are usually much more comphrehensive databases for this genre of films, do list her as being a performer in the film in question here. I'm not "inventing" anything here Mr. Wolfowitz. Guy1890 (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What you've invented is a unique definition of "starred in", defining it down to "appeared in". That's not a good faith argument. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 15:52, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I feel that she passes GNG and feel that Guy1890's comment above reinforces that. Dismas|(talk) 01:27, 17 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete fails the notability requirements for this occupation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:07, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, slakr\ talk / 03:49, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Semi-procedurally relisted due to prior reverted close --slakr\ talk / 03:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete there is no reasonable interpretation of starred in to be mean appeared in and arguments to keep based on false policy should be ignored. Otherwise what we are left with is an inadequately sourced BLP. Spartaz Humbug! 09:11, 23 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Agree with Guy1890 comments. She passes the general notability guidelines. HW confuses trivial coverage in rating the importance of the subject matter when it should be the breadth of the coverage across multiple reliable sources. Morbidthoughts (talk) 21:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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