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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:48, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Pobjie[edit]

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Generally nothing note while on this page. Currently it is a stub at best, but nothing noteworthy about this person. (Yes, he insulted Dwayne Johnson. But even then that's still nothing and was ultimately reverted.) Fails WP:GNG. retched (talk) 18:26, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:34, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:34, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. MassiveYR ♠ 19:34, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete There is a smattering of IRS about the subject but nothing sufficiently specifically notable. A lot of activity by the subject. Perhaps just TOOSOON. Aoziwe (talk) 20:45, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Well known Aussie comedian, writer, columnist, and author of a number of books that get reviewed in the major Australian media, enough book review seem to exist to validate notability even if you discount the ones in media he has written for. Unique name, just google him. At least one book is a collection of his New Matilda columns, the others are comedy that you may need to be form down under to understand. Note that strange page history; p[age created by an SPA almost a decade ago has been constantly edited by numerous SPAs who delete and add large chunks of text and sources. Nevertheless, Pobjie is indubitably probably notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well known how? What television specials has he done? What articles were written? Who has he written for? Why are 90% of these questions and sources only first-hand knowledge. Also, if he's well-known: WP:NPOV. I've seen similar level articles nuked for the same thing as WP:GNG. retched (talk) 21:36, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, notability is dubious. The article is 8 years' old and still hasn't progressed beyond a poorly sourced stub. McPhail (talk) 22:17, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - No indication of notability. (Just to counter the argument that he's a 'well known Aussie comedian', I'm from Melbourne and I've never heard of this guy.) Mentions in sources are nothing more than what you would expect for a semi-successful online writer. Cjhard (talk) 23:56, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Published books with Pan Macmillan [1] and Affirm Press [2]. Is regularly published in all major Australian media outlets including a weekly column in The Age. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by RogerMcGrodger (talk • contribs) 01:05, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: the Pan Macmillan is a $1.99 e-book through Pan Macmillan's digital-only publisher, Momentum and Affirm Press is a small, independent publisher. (And this is RogerMcGrodger's only contribution to Wikipedia.) Cjhard (talk) 01:46, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'll concur that the first contribution is a little bit sketchy. But it's not uncommon to seeing new people talk about this. Additionally I'll also concur that a single $1.99 ebook isn't exactly "noteworthy". Also with regards to the articles written, these are all op-eds. retched (talk) 01:55, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
With regards the articles being op-eds, the article does not describe him as a journalist, just a well-known Australian writer. I came to this Articles For Deletion via a post on Reddit discussing it. RogerMcGrodger (talk) 02:30, 24 October 2017 (UTC)— RogerMcGrodger (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Note. Shortly before this article was taken to AfD I semi protected it and had to revdel some BLP violations. I also removed a bunch of links to articles he has written, radio shows he has appeared on, etc. None of them seem to be third party sources so I don't think they are of much use to a notability discussion but I thought it was worth pointing out just in case. Jenks24 (talk) 03:55, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • revisit I jumped the gun a little - he googles particularly well this week for losing a wrestling match with Dwayne Johnson. Nevertheless, I continue to think KEEP, if only mildly so. I did a minor WP:HEYMANN, adding a sampling of the reviews of his comedy shows, and a little of the news coverage his tweets have gotten him in the Australian press. His books also get some press coverage, few full reviews, bu tshorlisted for a national literary prize. There is one 9 paragraph profile of him - a group profile of prominent Aussie tweeters (see: "World at their tweet"). Albeit, it is in The Age, the newspaper where he is a long-standing satirical columnist. And yet, do note that being a columnist in a major paper is a claim to notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I repeat my point about his page having been subjected over the years to SPA edits, attacks and deletions over the years - and I do not refer to the recent, responsible edits by User:Jenks24. Pobjie is a comic does not fear to tred. One news article this week cited a tweet by an angry wrestling fan describing Pobjie as a "Grade D" Aussie comedian. Certainly, his rather stupid (IMHO) tweet to Dwayne Johnson has roused the ire of wrestling fans, apparently including occassional Wikipedia editor, User:Retched, who has made ~300 edits, almost all on the subject of pro wrestling. He created one article, on pro wrestling, and participated in one previous AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2016 WWE draft Lesson: Minor Aussie writers shouldn't mess with Dwayne Johnson on Twitter, Johnson has fans. E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2017 (UTC)E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:00, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, he is prolific; I've seen a few articles around by him, but there doesn't seem to be much coverage of him around. Failing to win a minor gong like the Russell Prize hardly strikes me as evidence of any sort of lasting notability. Lankiveil (speak to me) 00:55, 28 October 2017 (UTC).[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.panmacmillan.com.au/search/?contributor=ben-pobjie
  2. ^ https://www.booksandpublishing.com.au/articles/2017/05/25/90810/aussie-aussie-aussie-questionable-histories-of-great-australians-ben-pobjie-affirm-press/
  3. ^ https://muckrack.com/ben-pobjie/articles
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